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Trade talk 2019/20
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What the hell are the Swans doing?? Alir Alir for a pick that is likely to be mid-high 30s next year? Just handing Port the exact type of player they need (key defender) for virtually nothing?? Why would they do that deal?
Port has got away with highway robbery there. I'm not sure what Alir's contract situation was but the Swans have rolled over way too easily on that deal. They're going to be bottom 4-6 for a few years to come.
Interesting listening to Saads manager on SEN, said it was not about money Saad leaving Essendrugs, there were other reasons that he said he was not going to divulge on radio, said it was up to Saad or Essendon it they wanted to make public any issues raised
Must be some concerning issues Essendon need to confront and rectify.
All fair enough, but the circumstance that led to Markov being dropped was that the coaching staff didnt see him in our best 22. in came the present- Broad, not the past, and out went a 24yo who has played 20 games. we are not losing a young gun in this instance.Brodders, its not about the players or the Captain Obvious permutations its about keeping the oldies and sending off the youngins. The worrying trend that has seen past dynasties turn into Geriactic Villages and at this point there is no backing away from the fact we have just seen 2 young promising players walk and at the same time re-sign some older players.
I completely understand its a given with dynasties and I wish Markov and Higgo well and hope they achieve all they want in their careers, good luck to them. Bye Bye. Ce La Vie. Adios. I accept that and I'm done there
If you want engage in the reasoning side of why and how, that's a separate argument.
For instance with Markov. By all accounts he was playing his role well but was simply a victim of circumstance, that being the incumbents return. So the decision is made and in comes the past and out goes the future. Considering Houli had a relatively ineffective GF due to the early calf injury one could argue that had Markov been playing and even if he played an equally ineffective GF he would now be a premiership player and lauded as the next Houli. Totally hocus pocus ifs and maybes but that is how close we could of been securing that position going forward instead we now need to invest time in another candidate but is that going to happen now we have Houli's signature? This is the trend I am hoping won't prevail.
There's no doubting that we are now the superior leaders in so many facets of the AFL, even dare I say it "Pioneers" and "Torch Bearers" [settle down blx] and can see I was over-excited in the thought that we would also buck the trend with list rejuvenation too.
Time will tell and I'm confident in Blair... maybe I worry too much
I am not really sure what you think we should have done? Not played our best 22 in the finals so we had a better chance of keeping a 24yo depth hbf who played 6 decent games this year?
Brisvegas, Port and Cats will be around.
Weagles, Saints & Bullies to tread water. Filth to go backwards
Rest don't matter.
I think cats will follow the Adelaide and GWS trajectory.
Jeremy Cameron is a talented player, but he's a dirty, front runner, softly tempered in the entitlement forge of GWS. Dylan Sheil, Adam Treloar, Rory lobb all say hello. All the cats old blokes are of the cliff and their young blokes aren't much good.
and they continue to recruit the elderly? Higgins is 33 next year FFS.
Richmonds dynasty is kind of self-perpetuating, because the top 4 think they are in a premiership window and are recruiting top up players, but they are not. We occupy the entire window. Its a single view window.
and while shaun Higgins slows and ages, and danihers groins groan, $hai and Notorious and JG and George and Danny and CCJ ascend and make it a double dynasty.
Port are probably doing it the best of the rest. Alior Alir was exactly what they needed and cheap.
But if they cant beat us in Adelaide, what chance do they have on the MCG? Plus Dixon will break down. Hes giant and old and prone.
I agree eagles wont go away and dogs and saint are on the rise.
but I expect The Suns to be the steadiest accent.
They are assembling a really good list.
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When they say it's not about money, you just know it's about money.Interesting listening to Saads manager on SEN, said it was not about money Saad leaving Essendrugs, there were other reasons that he said he was not going to divulge on radio, said it was up to Saad or Essendon it they wanted to make public any issues raised
Must be some concerning issues Essendon need to confront and rectify.
I agree Ridley, but the word is that the Swans are bursting at the seams re salary cap.
Not sure how as they are blooding a lot of younger players.
That could explain it Tommy. They obviously have Buddy but that is only one player. His deal is $10m over 9 years so it's only just over $1m a year. But maybe it is back ended and they could be up for something like $1.5m next year. But the rest of their list is very ordinary and it would be mismanagement of almost a Collingwood degree if they were in cap trouble.
But if true it would be the reason they've given away Alir to Port for virtually nothing.
Well, we seem to be going round in circles brodders.
We all love our club and we are champs again so my point is chicken feed really
Looking forward to the drafts now and seeing who we have added to the den.
Brodders, its not about the players or the Captain Obvious permutations its about keeping the oldies and sending off the youngins. The worrying trend that has seen past dynasties turn into Geriactic Villages and at this point there is no backing away from the fact we have just seen 2 young promising players walk and at the same time re-sign some older players.
I completely understand its a given with dynasties and I wish Markov and Higgo well and hope they achieve all they want in their careers, good luck to them. Bye Bye. Ce La Vie. Adios. I accept that and I'm done there
If you want engage in the reasoning side of why and how, that's a separate argument.
For instance with Markov. By all accounts he was playing his role well but was simply a victim of circumstance, that being the incumbents return. So the decision is made and in comes the past and out goes the future. Considering Houli had a relatively ineffective GF due to the early calf injury one could argue that had Markov been playing and even if he played an equally ineffective GF he would now be a premiership player and lauded as the next Houli. Totally hocus pocus ifs and maybes but that is how close we could of been securing that position going forward instead we now need to invest time in another candidate but is that going to happen now we have Houli's signature? This is the trend I am hoping won't prevail.
There's no doubting that we are now the superior leaders in so many facets of the AFL, even dare I say it "Pioneers" and "Torch Bearers" [settle down blx] and can see I was over-excited in the thought that we would also buck the trend with list rejuvenation too.
Time will tell and I'm confident in Blair... maybe I worry too much
I’m not sure it’s a trend.
We haven’t lost any young talls. We don’t have many old smalls. The closest would be Houli, but Houli has already been surpassed by 2 great young players in Baker and Short. Markov’s exit isn’t enough to worry about a trend, as he was 3rd in line and our oldest young player in that position anyway.
We chose an old star over our oldest and 3rd in line young player.
Higgins and Ellis are different. We didn’t favour any older players over them like we did Markov, so there’s no overarching philosophy to be worried about there.
Butler is a bit different too. We didn’t choose an older forward to keep ahead of him. We simply underestimated his ability by rating him our 4th in line small forward (and our equal oldest small forward with George). So again, we let go a 3rd/4th in line for a certain position due to enormous depth on our list.
As a general trend, we’ve only let young players go to keep an older player if we’ve already got multiple proven young replacements in the team.
And best of all, our best kids have already been made the priority and signed, which is why we don’t hear of them leaving.
Most of our premiership players aren’t on the verge of retirement, so it makes sense to refresh our batch of depth kids now. The new kids will learn under quality.
Markov learned under Houli for half a decade. So did Menadue, etc. Now we’ll give that opportunity to someone else.
We can refer to Hawthorn, who let their older players go and didn’t see their depth players come on afterwards. Dynasty depth players are usually overrated.
I watched a Dusty highlights clip yesterday and 3 of the highlights involved brilliant Dusty-smart disposals to Markov and Higgins, putting them in space like few other players could. History shows dynasty teams should cash-in on these type of players. We’ve been smart about letting our 3rd/4th in line go, while keeping all our best kids.
Hope you’re a little less worried about our trading trends
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Shaun Higgins to Geelong. After the Cats secured pick No.30 from Carlton in a deal that sent Lachie Fogarty to the Blues, that selection will be on-traded to North Melbourne for Higgins.
I’m not sure it’s a trend.
We haven’t lost any young talls. We don’t have many old smalls. The closest would be Houli, but Houli has already been surpassed by 2 great young players in Baker and Short. Markov’s exit isn’t enough to worry about a trend, as he was 3rd in line and our oldest young player in that position anyway.
We chose an old star over our oldest and 3rd in line young player.
Higgins and Ellis are different. We didn’t favour any older players over them like we did Markov, so there’s no overarching philosophy to be worried about there.
Butler is a bit different too. We didn’t choose an older forward to keep ahead of him. We simply underestimated his ability by rating him our 4th in line small forward (and our equal oldest small forward with George). So again, we let go a 3rd/4th in line for a certain position due to enormous depth on our list.
As a general trend, we only let young players go to keep an older player if we’ve already got multiple good young replacements in the team.
We’re only choosing older stars over the 3rd or 4th best kids in their position... not the 1st or 2nd best kids.
Our best kids have been the priority and signed already, which is why we don’t hear of them leaving.
Most of our premiership players aren’t on the verge of retirement, so it makes sense to refresh our batch of depth kids now.
Markov learned under Houli for half a decade. So did Menadue, etc.
Now we’ll give that opportunity to someone else.
As a general trend, Hawthorn let their older players go and we didn’t see their depth players come on afterwards.
I watched a Dusty highlights clip yesterday and 3 of the highlights involved brilliant Dusty-smart disposals to Markov and Higgins, putting them in space like few other players could. History shows dynasty teams should cash-in on these type of players. We haven’t stood in their way.
Hope you’re a little less worried about our trading trends now
Never once said we had a trend but that I'm more worried it could become a trend in the coming years but thanks anyway, it all helps.
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we should see if we can get Geelong to bite on Keith Rae?
maybe Rae and next years 2nd round for pick 15?
Allir is an outstanding get by Port Adelaide; the win of the trade period to date.
Maybe the Swans have salary cap issues ... but moving him on, and for a relatively cheap pick, has me buggered. They must be going well to trade out a bloke of this quality. I could think of two dozen Swannies I'd move on before Allir.
Allir and Balta have similar traits. I rate Allir as worth a top 15 every day of the week.
Bloody Port. Well played to them. They are a threat in 2021.
