Thoroughbred racing

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

All that said, front page of tomorrow's NT News is a cracker.

Think you'll find that's a satirical mock-up.

 

[easy_tiger]

Big day for Roycey. Chris Symons came through very nicely twice. Couple of other winners and nice trifecta to start the day. Only got second in the cup or it would have been a near record... Odds of returning it all back next week. 100-1 on.

good work roycey. :fing32

im getting worse. my first collect of the spring (literally) was Rekindled THE PLACE :

confidence of a urinal biscuit

cant wait for the footy season.

 

[Jake]

I wonder if Lloyd sends the handicapper a little hamper on the first wednesday in November?

Wonder what this bloke will write today?

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/why-its-hard-to-get-excited-about-lloyd-williams-winning-another-melbourne-cup-20161101-gsfmny

 

[easy_tiger]

Wonder what this bloke will write today?

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/why-its-hard-to-get-excited-about-lloyd-williams-winning-another-melbourne-cup-20161101-gsfmny

for every horse that Lloyd wins with, he probably has a hundred that are slow.

Im pretty sure he wouldnt profit from winning Cups (6 times 2m plus some plunges wouldnt cover his expenses no way)

So I dont have any problem with him winning Cups.

My query is how the handicapper keeps going easy on him.

Rekindling pushed Order of St.George (who could carry 60kg and win The Cup by 5 lengths) to 4 lengths, but carries 50kg?

Admittedly, I dont understand handicapping very well, but its NOT WFA right? so why does a very well accomplished 3yo get a feather weight in a handicap?

Note: not sour grapes, i only bet loose change on the cup, and I backed the winner (for the place ), so this is not altogether hindsight insight.

 

[tigerman]

:rofl @ the Australian Turf Club for taking out a four page ad in a Sydney newspaper on Cup day saying that the Melbourne Cup isn't the richest race in Australia.
Haven't they got a bee in their bonnet, jealousy is a curse.

https://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/11/07/08/51/melbourne-cup-2017-everest-spoil-party-full-page-ad

 

[tigerman]

for every horse that Lloyd wins with, he probably has a hundred that are slow.

Im pretty sure he wouldnt profit from winning Cups (6 times 2m plus some plunges wouldnt cover his expenses no way)

So I dont have any problem with him winning Cups.

My query is how the handicapper keeps going easy on him.

Rekindling pushed Order of St.George (who could carry 60kg and win The Cup by 5 lengths) to 4 lengths, but carries 50kg?

Admittedly, I dont understand handicapping very well, but its NOT WFA right? so why does a very well accomplished 3yo get a feather weight in a handicap?

Note: not sour grapes, i only bet loose change on the cup, and I backed the winner (for the place ), so this is not altogether hindsight insight.

easy, Rekindling beat the handicapper by being a European three year old. Their birth date is the 1st of January, ours is the 1st of August, he'd be a four year old if he was born here.

The best i could do was second in a sweep

 

[easy_tiger]

easy, Rekindling beat the handicapper by being a European three year old. Their birth date is the 1st of January, ours is the 1st of August, he'd be a four year old if he was born here.

The best i could do was second in a sweep

I was really confused by that. I thought it was a four year old. thanks for clearing up

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

easy, Rekindling beat the handicapper by being a European three year old. Their birth date is the 1st of January, ours is the 1st of August, he'd be a four year old if he was born here.

Agree that he beat the handicapper, but by virtue of being lightly raced. That seems to be the type of international best suited to the race. The handicapper has had the measure of those with proven records in big overseas races.

Where once it was a regular thing for 3yo's to run (and win), think Stylish Century was the last of the locals to attempt it. Carried 47 or 48kg after destroying the Derby field and was distanced.

 

[tigerman]

Agree that he beat the handicapper, but by virtue of being lightly raced. That seems to be the type of international best suited to the race. The handicapper has had the measure of those with proven records in big overseas races.

Yes, Lloyd Williams who bought him as a yearling would've made sure he was lightly raced with the Melbourne Cup in mind. It would be even more satisfying for him buying it as a yearling as to buying a proven horse and winning the cup.

 

[jb03]

Agree that he beat the handicapper, but by virtue of being lightly raced. That seems to be the type of international best suited to the race. The handicapper has had the measure of those with proven records in big overseas races.

Where once it was a regular thing for 3yo's to run (and win), think Stylish Century was the last of the locals to attempt it. Carried 47 or 48kg after destroying the Derby field and was distanced.

Nothin Leica Dame? Think it ran second.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Nothin Leica Dame? Think it ran second.

Ah, you're right jb. Won four on the trot and carried 47.5kg.

Was just trying to say that Rekindling wasn't done any favours because of his age. The handicapper is obligated to treat his as a 4yo and is influenced by the time-honoured WFA scale. But his race form would've taken precedence.

 

[tigersnake]

I don't begrudge Lloyd. It's his passion, he targets just the one race and trains his horses throughout the year with just the one race in mind. Would have been handy on the Tigers board all those years ago.

anyone can do it....if they've accessed billions via dodgy casino licence tenders granted by his old mates.

 

[tigersnake]

I don't begrudge him spending his cash anyway he likes. How he made his millions is another matter.

At least with Rekindling, unlike his past two winners, he bought it as a yearling.

He is the best in the business at the caper. Go ask OTI racing. Donuts after nearly 20 years of trying.

half agree. He's got got his billions, not millions, via [allegedly] corrupt means. He just goes to europe every year and buys a heap of the best stayers that are primed and ready to go. Really, how hard could it be? I wouldn't mind having a crack at being the best in the business with unlimited funds and time.

For something completely different, loved the story about the Mill Park labourer who won the $1 mill from a $15 bet in the TAB draw.

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

Think you'll find that's a satirical mock-up.

Na, they published it.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Na, they published it.

Ha, I stand corrected. It's like something you'd see on the cover of MAD magazine. They must do things a differently up there.

 

[MD Jazz]

anyone can do it....if they've accessed billions via dodgy casino licence tenders granted by his old mates.

Nice to see he syndicates his horses to battlers as well.

 

[jb03]

Ah, you're right jb. Won four on the trot and carried 47.5kg.

Was just trying to say that Rekindling wasn't done any favours because of his age. The handicapper is obligated to treat his as a 4yo and is influenced by the time-honoured WFA scale. But his race form would've taken precedence.

On its age and form i think Rekindling was probably fairly weighted. They shouldn't really go on about European ages of horses.

 

[easy_tiger]

On its age and form i think Rekindling was probably fairly weighted. They shouldn't really go on about European ages of horses.

The connections of Johannes Vermeer would probably argue Rekindling should have had another 500g ;D

 

[waiting]

How's that jockey who punched that poor horse in the stomach with an uppercut only get 2 weeks?

Low act.

Watched the footage again. The horse actually reacts.

 

[Rosy]

R.I.P. Regal Monarch :'(