Thoroughbred racing

[Rosy]

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Anyone who sees breeding horses to race, teaching them to race, and racing them as immoral needs to be careful passing judgement. Analysed to the nth degree, everything is vanity. Refer Ecclesiastes.

Eggs Zachary.

I'm interested to know who, if anyone, has said that and where so I can read it in context... or is it just some random comment and words of advise with no real relevance to the discussion here.

 

[Baloo]

And slaves, if you want to go further down that spurious road.

It's your road, I just kept travelling down it.

Anyone who sees breeding horses to race, teaching them to race, and racing them as immoral needs to be careful passing judgement. Analysed to the nth degree, everything is vanity. Refer Ecclesiastes.

If that's directed at me then I have no issues with horses being bred and taught to race, much like I have no issue with horses bred and taught equestrian disciplines (now that's vanity).

My point is that Horse Racing is often confused with gambling. Remove the gambling and you'd probably have a big an industry as equestrian with as many dodgy dealings.

 

[skybeau]

My final word on this subject is to quote 'Glenn' from the HS comments section.

Given that the perceived skill of the rider is factored into the market, the above figures are skewed in Payne's favour.

To be honest, I'm not actually sure what you or Glenn are trying to say there. Especially as there is no context provided. If it's meant as a means of demonstrating Michelle's riding ability (highlighting that a male rider is better), what's an equivalent stat for a male jockey?

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I'm interested to know who, if anyone, has said that and where so I can read it in context... or is it just some random comment and words of advise with no real relevance to the discussion here.

It's a recurring theme in comments on racing stories at this time of year. Racing's a "cruel" sport with "greedy" owners in which animals are "forced" to run for human enjoyment etc, on occasion even miraculously linked to issues such as global warming. It's a sentiment usually heard from Gen Y and younger. No wonder Labor wants to lower the voting age. All hail the new secular pseudo-greenies!

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

To be honest, I'm not actually sure what you or Glenn are trying to say there. Especially as there is no context provided. If it's meant as a means of demonstrating Michelle's riding ability (highlighting that a male rider is better), what's an equivalent stat for a male jockey?

Essentially Glenn is saying it's more profitable to stick a pin in the form guide while blindfolded than to follow Michelle Payne.

As a casual participant these days, I don't have those stats and thus earlier invited anyone that does to post.

 

[Rosy]

Essentially Glenn is saying it's more profitable to stick a pin in the form guide while blindfolded than to follow Michelle Payne.

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I reckon he sounds more like he's suffering sour grape disease from a bad case of losingcupbetitis. I wonder if he knows anything about riding. I'd like to know what skills he thinks Michele is lacking.

 

[spook]

It's your road, I just kept travelling down it.

No, my road was to say racehorses wouldn't be alive if there was no horse racing. Your road was to imply that horse racing was akin to *smile* fighting.

I'm interested to know who, if anyone, has said that and where so I can read it in context... or is it just some random comment and words of advise with no real relevance to the discussion here.

It's a response to the question posed by mexican_radio about the annual criticisms of racing.

 

[Elmer]

Same can be said for the *smile* fighting roosters and fighting dogs.

I'd like to see *smile* fighting roosters riding like jockeys on racing fighting dogs. That I'd gamble on.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

If strength is an issue, then how do you explain women and men competing head to head in the Cross Country event at the Olympics?

Just to tie this back to racing... Kathy Kusner was an Olympic silver medallist who obtained a jockey's license after launching legal action against a US race club.

Legendary US punter Andrew Beyer: "I try not to let my handicapping of a race be influenced by any prejudices about riders - not even ones who have lost money for me in the past - unless I am convinced that certain jockeys are hopelessly inept. Every track has a few riders who can be counted on to be left at the post, blocked or boxed, or to commit some similar atrocity whenever they are aboard a horse who has a chance to win. There is no conceivable circumstance, for example, in which I would bet so much as $2 on a horse ridden by Kathy Kusner."

Ouch.

 

[Baloo]

No, my road was to say racehorses wouldn't be alive if there was no horse racing. Your road was to imply that horse racing was akin to *smile* fighting.

Nope, I'm on the same road that is saying there are animals alive today who wouldn't be if it wasn't for the gambling that makes it lucrative to breed them.

 

[WesternTiger]

Have no real interest in racing but must say got a buzz when Prince of Penzance turned up in the car park of the pub I was having dinner at with the family tonight in Warrnambool.

 

[spook]

I'd like to see *smile* fighting roosters riding like jockeys on racing fighting dogs. That I'd gamble on.

:hihi

Nope, I'm on the same road that is saying there are animals alive today who wouldn't be if it wasn't for the gambling that makes it lucrative to breed them.

Righto, that also includes all cattle and poultry, etc., as the food industry makes it lucrative to breed them.

 

[Baloo]

:hihi
Righto, that also includes all cattle and poultry, etc., as the food industry makes it lucrative to breed them.

I was on the gambing road, you've now shot off onto the food highway express

 

[Leysy Days]

What about show dogs?

Aren't they bred for the purpose to enter shows?

Or Guinpea Pigs. Bred to be locked up for the enjoyment of kids?

 

[Baloo]

What about show dogs?

Aren't they bred for the purpose to enter shows?

Or Guinpea Pigs. Bred to be locked up for the enjoyment of kids?

Not sure what your point is LD, but that's normal.

 

[spook]

Not sure what your point is LD, but that's normal.

His point (and mine) as you well know you mischievous little stirrer , is that humans have forever and a day exploited (or my preferred term, 'made use of') animals for our advancement and enjoyment. People campaigning for an end to horse racing need to understand they are campaigning for these magnificent animals to never live at all.

 

[Rosy]

What about show dogs?

Aren't they bred for the purpose to enter shows?

Or Guinpea Pigs. Bred to be locked up for the enjoyment of kids?

I don't really get the point of that. I think you're either missing the point or being deliberately obtuse Leysy. It's not the use of animals but how they are treated that concerns a lot of people. Of course there are always exceptions but show dogs and guinea pigs aren't whipped to perform. They aren't forced to perform while completely exhausted. You can't say either of those things about racehorses. I know from when I used to ride track work that some horses are lovingly treated and respected but plenty are flogged and mistreated and often die cruel deaths.

My "morally can't support racing" comment was based on the fact I abhor cruelty to animals. I can see vanity in showing dogs but I can't see any vanity in how I feel about racing these days, despite what L2 and spook reckon. It can be a corrupt, cruel and heartless endevour.

 

[Baloo]

His point (and mine) as you well know you mischievous little stirrer , is that humans have forever and a day exploited (or my preferred term, 'made use of') animals for our advancement and enjoyment. People campaigning for an end to horse racing need to understand they are campaigning for these magnificent animals to never live at all.

I've never stirred in my life. Or maybe I've never been called little. One or the other.

You guys are confusing my for an anti-horse racing nut. I'm not. There are people that love these horses for the magnificent beats they are and enjoy seeing them race. But the majority are into it for the gambling. I've said it a few times that if you removed the gambling aspect racing might be as big as equestrian events are. That's another place they do it more for the love and sport rather than money.

How many of you horse racing fans would still be as engaged in the "sport" if there was no gambling associated with it ?

 

[spook]

I've never stirred in my life. Or maybe I've never been called little. One or the other.

:rofl

You guys are confusing my for an anti-horse racing nut. I'm not. There are people that love these horses for the magnificent beats they are and enjoy seeing them race. But the majority are into it for the gambling. I've said it a few times that if you removed the gambling aspect racing might be as big as equestrian events are. That's another place they do it more for the love and sport rather than money.

How many of you horse racing fans would still be as engaged in the "sport" if there was no gambling associated with it ?

I'm not confused, I know what you're doing.

Gambling is not an evil, it is people's inability to control themselves that is the problem, as with everything else.

Humans like to gamble. It's in our nature and I daresay has been crucial in our evolution/survival at times.

 

[Scoop]

:rofl
I'm not confused, I know what you're doing.

Gambling is not an evil, it is people's inability to control themselves that is the problem, as with everything else.

Humans like to gamble. It's in our nature and I daresay has been crucial in our evolution/survival at times.

I betcha that's not true.