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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
As with male jockeys, some are better than others. But the best men are much better than the best women.

I rest my case. Fair dinkum. :rofl
 
poppa x said:
If strength is an issue, then how do you explain women and men competing head to head in the Cross Country event at the Olympics?

Now you're getting into things I don't know about. Isn't the relationship between horse and rider paramount? I mean, you couldn't just put Damien Oliver on one of those horses and expect him to do as well as the horse's regular rider, could you?
 
rosy23 said:
Michelle's rides have earned connections well over $20,000,000 in prize money and that's from limited opportunity. Dr Turf has missed plenty of collects due to his ignorant thinking. I wonder how many of the chauvinists bagging women jockeys have ridden a racehorse themselves. There's far more to it than strength.

Maybe if a male jockey had had those rides the connections might have earned $30,000,000. ;D
 
What a fantastic story with Michele Payne! Dad raised 9 kids, battlers on a farm the edge of Ballarat, strapper Steve has down syndrome, first female Melbourne cup jockey winner etc. This will go down in Australian folklore! Absolutely stocked for her and her family :clap :clap :clap
 
saigon tiger said:
What a fantastic story with Michele Payne! Dad raised 9 kids, battlers on a farm the edge of Ballarat, strapper Steve has down syndrome, first female Melbourne cup jockey winner etc. This will go down in Australian folklore! Absolutely stocked for her and her family :clap :clap :clap
Bravo.
 
saigon tiger said:
What a fantastic story with Michele Payne! Dad raised 9 kids, battlers on a farm the edge of Ballarat, strapper Steve has down syndrome, first female Melbourne cup jockey winner etc. This will go down in Australian folklore! Absolutely stocked for her and her family :clap :clap :clap

Amazing, don't agree with L2 on the blokes better thing, do agree that Dettori and Scofield (big punter mate reckons it was mainly CS) played a big part in the fairytale win. Amazing family, don't know if anybody saw Marie Payne's comments, an ex jockey herself. Now married to Brett Prebble and living in HK, came over to see him ride, she said, I'm paraphrasing: 'I was watching Brett, (on Bondi Beach), then saw he was out of it at the top of the straight, then started watching Kieran (McEvoy, another sister's Bridgit?) husband), then saw he was gone, then I saw Michelle and thought bloody hell!
 
mexican_radio said:
I'm interested to know what you guys think about all the criticism thrown at horse racing (again) this year?

I think it's fair. While there is all the claptrap about the majesty of horses and the great animals that they are, at the end of the day racing isn't about horses, it's about gambling. Take gambling out of the equation and I doubt there would be a racing industry. That in itself tells you what horse racing really is.
 
mexican_radio said:
I'm interested to know what you guys think about all the criticism thrown at horse racing (again) this year?

For the first time since I can remember I didn't have a bet. For the first time since PRE started we didn't have a sweep. I only saw the last 300m of the Cup and hadn't even seen who was in the field. I can't morally support racing at this point in time. Too many horses gratuitously killed. Too much cruelty. Too many horses flogged to death. Too much drugging. Too little consideration for so many animals welfare if they aren't fast enough. I think I'll bet everything in our TAB acct on a footy game next year then close the acct down.
 
Interesting to hear your thoughts. I'm trying to keep an open mind about it. Some of the claims made about horse racing are alarming, I would really like to know if they are accurate and true.
 
mexican_radio said:
I'm interested to know what you guys think about all the criticism thrown at horse racing (again) this year?

Certain parts of the "racing" industry have copped their right whack with the uncovering of the unsavoury practices that they have been caught out doing.
But really i don't think there is too much difference to what the Bombers got caught out doing.
I don' like it, but as long as the instigators get punished it's not going to stop my love of the game, (AFL) the racing industry, or the punt.
 
Have no moral issue with horse racing in principle, but keep hearing that the industry's rife with corruption. It's worth a lot of money to the state but if they can't stomach putting some big names out over cobalt doping, the rot will have set in.
 
tigersnake said:
Amazing, don't agree with L2 on the blokes better thing, do agree that Dettori and Scofield (big punter mate reckons it was mainly CS) played a big part in the fairytale win. ......

Yep. Most Cups have good luck and hard luck stories. I'm just glad it wasn't Michelle who stuffed up considering some of the comments regarding female jockeys.
 
My final word on this subject is to quote 'Glenn' from the HS comments section.

Yes her ride in the cup was great, but there are far too many poor rides and mistakes made. From a sample size of 1200 rides on horses in the top 4 in the betting last 5 years if you had backed every one of her rides you would be -23%, considering the tab take out -17% what this means is her rides have UNDERPERFORMED relative to the market. The truth is in the numbers, id say its the agenda hijacking self righteous who "cant handle the truth" anyway good on michelle for her great win in the cup, maybe she can keep improving her riding skills in the future.

Given that the perceived skill of the rider is factored into the market, the above figures are skewed in Payne's favour.
 
mexican_radio said:
I'm interested to know what you guys think about all the criticism thrown at horse racing (again) this year?
My view is that if racehorses weren't bred to race, they would never have lived at all.
 
spook said:
My view is that if racehorses weren't bred to race, they would never have lived at all.

Same can be said for the *smile* fighting roosters and fighting dogs.
 
Baloo said:
Same can be said for the *smile* fighting roosters and fighting dogs.

Racing's not exactly a blood sport, though.

Anyone who sees breeding horses to race, teaching them to race, and racing them as immoral needs to be careful passing judgement. Analysed to the nth degree, everything is vanity. Refer Ecclesiastes.
 
Baloo said:
Same can be said for the *smile* fighting roosters and fighting dogs.
And slaves, if you want to go further down that spurious road.

LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Racing's not exactly a blood sport, though.

Anyone who sees breeding horses to race, teaching them to race, and racing them as immoral needs to be careful passing judgement. Analysed to the nth degree, everything is vanity. Refer Ecclesiastes.
Eggs Zachary.