Thoroughbred racing

[winmad]

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Totally dissatissfied, let of the hook last year, now this. Just a moment of whim, just happened to have the bookies number, just used another mobile, goes on and on. Rules for one rules for others. I have been on the end of a couple of "not very happy rides" lets say ....with Ollie. Well I cant jump over them. Bloody hell why where you in the position anyway barrier 9 end up on the fence, told MUST come down the outside etc. Just will tell the general public this is not fair dinkum!! There is more to come, but they will just pussyfoot around with suspensions with them as well. Its an absolute joke. We deserve better, esp as owners, and people putting on a bet in good faith

 

[DragicevicFan]

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Send the tapes through to RVL and asked for the rides to be investigated Madman.

 

[jb03]

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Did Smerdon even get a call up during the hearing?

NOt much said abour Smerdon but he has withdrawn an appeal I think on an unrelated matter. Might by nervous.

 

[winmad]

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Sadly even with the Nikolic ones, they all say... nothing to declare!!
BUT the Nikolic ones that all said where OK. now are the subject of investigations.
Why on the day, and even suggestions after, where they all OK... NOW subject to inquiry. I know because one of our horses is involved. There has been nothing said after a few suggestions, until now ?? WHY Why could the Stewards not see anything wrong at these races until now? If so, how many other races have they NOT SEEN anything wrong !!!
We lose our money and the punter has no idea if they had no chance at all....
The rot stops at the top.............

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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Seems everyone concerned received an apology, except for the poor old punter who pays for it all. Enjoy your holiday, "Ollie".

 

[winmad]

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Yep... he comes out of it with a wad of cash.... have a holiday, then the two months BEFORE the spring carnival he can do track work, then come in and cream it all again... I ask you !!! No $$$$ penalty as well.... Gee I really wonder !!!

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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Melbourne Cup runners in the Japan Cup -

Red Cadeaux 8th
Jakkalberry 11th
Mount Athos 12th

Won by a 3yo filly in the very fast time of 2:23.1 (Dunaden's Caulfield Cup time was 2:28.8).

Not that it matters now, but Mount Athos started at around 90/1, with the other two better than 150/1. On the Vic TAB you got $6.70 Mount Athos and $11-$12 the other pair.

 

[RFC not KFC]

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M.V. tonight r5 #6 - from the owner.

"The trainer reckons he is a pretty good show, and has been training the house down. Down in distance too, which is to our advantage. Main danger is no 2 Hard Romp. Worth a look each way, and a quinella."

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

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M.V. tonight r5 #6 - from the owner.

"The trainer reckons he is a pretty good show, and has been training the house down. Down in distance too, which is to our advantage. Main danger is no 2 Hard Romp. Worth a look each way, and a quinella."

Won me a grand. Thanks.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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M.V. tonight r5 #6 - from the owner.

"The trainer reckons he is a pretty good show, and has been training the house down. Down in distance too, which is to our advantage. Main danger is no 2 Hard Romp. Worth a look each way, and a quinella."

That there is a solid gold whisper.

 

[RFC not KFC]

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Won me a grand. Thanks.

set me up with a lovely kitty too. then music shop made it a stupid night by getting up at $28.20. normally the valley kills me on a Friday but this one will be fondly remembered.

 

[tigerman]

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Alcopop ran third in the Hong Kong cup, he missed the kick and was last out. He was ridden for luck and had trouble getting a run, when he was finally able to push through on the rail he made very good ground, with a bit of luck he should have finished second and even got close to the winner. He did Australia proud.

 

[Rosy]

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Thanks tigerman. Wasn't even aware he was racing.

 

[Dyer'ere]

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Won by a 3yo filly in the very fast time of 2:23.1 (Dunaden's Caulfield Cup time was 2:28.8).

Hey L2. Japanese and some American times are based on a "Flying Start". The clock starts after the horses are in full stride, flattering times.

Better Loosen Up ran 2:25 odd IIRC. Horlicks was around that mark too, I think. That said I love Japanese racing. Fierce and hard.

 

[Dyer'ere]

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I've got to weigh into the Oliver scandal. (FWIW I thought he'd get nine months.)

Oliver's offence has to be kept in perspective. What if they could have proved that the famous jockey pulled the champion in that McKinnon Stakes? Because he owed that infamous bookie? Does he get life?

Pumper has form. Real form but he still rides.

I believe the story that they accidentally caught Ollie. They have bigger fish to fry. Horses doped then backed off the map? Blood from the neck of one in a recent raid.

How about those stables that have recently gone cold? Champions dying of heart attacks at 6yo.

Oliver clearly did not influence the outcome of the race. His horse was destroyed and the winner won morally by eight. Jockeys bet. (It's legal in other countries. Should be here IMO. If it's public.) Jockeys tip. Jockeys pull horses all the time.

What if a very honest and talented rider just goes early so the stablemate gets a cart into the race? Well, you can't prove that. What if we had tapes? What sentence would you give a rider who sacrificed his mount so a stablemate could win? That is race rigging. Or some might view it, as I do, as a dime a dozen, unproveable team ride.

OK. Another hypothetical: what would you give a trainer who sacrificed the chances of one of his/her runners, advantaging his/her others by probability, by choosing a difficult barrier for it?

One for history: what would you give Roy Higgins for pulling Hyperno? What's more important - how much he wins or how much he costs punters?

Ollie's a square. From the way the stewards treat Nikolic you'd think the latter a murderer.

 

[Dyer'ere]

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Just on Boss, Leysy, G1s aside, or included, I thought his rides throughout the carnival were lengths better than his colleagues. And Oliver was outstanding. What does everyone else think?

On Fawkner? JB, I think you were dreadfully unlucky not to land the double there. Had Fawkner have drawn out wide, and taken his run around the field, I think he's the winner IMO. Hit the front way too early, and was in the wrong part of the track.

One of my mates mentioned at work tonight that they were talking a potention Sandown Classic run for Puissance De Lune in order to guarantee a Cup berth in 2013. I really hope they do the right thing and spell him, give him a light autumn (Aust Cup?) and just bank on Carpenter giving him a flattering weight. Carpenter is an absolute toff IMO, and there is no way in the world he will have missed his last two demolitons.

I thought Boss and to a lesser extent Ollie dominated the riding, Gyps.

Shame about Fawkner. Who rode him? Coz there's no such thing as a bad barrier. Heh heh.

Puissance de Lune gets to do next year what Ethiopia might have done this year - go early and shame the bludgers back in the field. Make em run their last mile in 1:34. You want a light weight so you can go early.

 

[ARCHYBOY]

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I've got to weigh into the Oliver scandal. (FWIW I thought he'd get nine months.)

Oliver's offence has to be kept in perspective. What if they could have proved that the famous jockey pulled the champion in that McKinnon Stakes? Because he owed that infamous bookie? Does he get life?

Pumper has form. Real form but he still rides.

I believe the story that they accidentally caught Ollie. They have bigger fish to fry. Horses doped then backed off the map? Blood from the neck of one in a recent raid.

How about those stables that have recently gone cold? Champions dying of heart attacks at 6yo.

Oliver clearly did not influence the outcome of the race. His horse was destroyed and the winner won morally by eight. Jockeys bet. (It's legal in other countries. Should be here IMO. If it's public.) Jockeys tip. Jockeys pull horses all the time.

What if a very honest and talented rider just goes early so the stablemate gets a cart into the race? Well, you can't prove that. What if we had tapes? What sentence would you give a rider who sacrificed his mount so a stablemate could win? That is race rigging. Or some might view it, as I do, as a dime a dozen, unproveable team ride.

OK. Another hypothetical: what would you give a trainer who sacrificed the chances of one of his/her runners, advantaging his/her others by probability, by choosing a difficult barrier for it?

One for history: what would you give Roy Higgins for pulling Hyperno? What's more important - how much he wins or how much he costs punters?

Ollie's a square. From the way the stewards treat Nikolic you'd think the latter a murderer.

Here's another hypothetical for you Dyer'ere -

What if Olivers bet was bigger than the $10,000 reported??

What if there is a trainer that will be punished for the same incident??

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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Hey L2. Japanese and some American times are based on a "Flying Start". The clock starts after the horses are in full stride, flattering times.

Better Loosen Up ran 2:25 odd IIRC. Horlicks was around that mark too, I think. That said I love Japanese racing. Fierce and hard.

Oh OK. Didn't think the horses could be that much faster. Had put it down to the track. Still one of the quickest Japan Cup times.

Oliver clearly did not influence the outcome of the race. His horse was destroyed and the winner won morally by eight. Jockeys bet. (It's legal in other countries. Should be here IMO. If it's public.) Jockeys tip. Jockeys pull horses all the time.

Can of worms. Oliver announces he's having 10K on the favorite in order to mislead the public. Favourite firms, others drift. Meanwhile the trainer has 20K on the stablemate, with the proceeds to be shared with Ollie...

 

[Dyer'ere]

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Here's another hypothetical for you Dyer'ere -

What if Olivers bet was bigger than the $10,000 reported??

What if there is a trainer that will be punished for the same incident??

For mine, Arch, I don't mind if it were a hundred. Ollie's a multi. He got done for breaking a rule of racing - jockey's are prohibited to bet. He got ten months or so. Seems right to me.

Had his charge flown home from last to be beaten a neck, well, that's race-rigging. It's for the cops to deal with mainly. What the stewards do then is just a kind of remand.

Trainers are allowed to bet, Arch. If the stewards think he's hooked his horse they'll ask to see his tickets. Trainers are almost required to bet.

The stewards do seem to have a strong focus on a particular trainer atm. We all reckon he's got the mad gear, don't we? And I guess there may be stable supporters with colourful histories. Then the cops get interested.

I think it is highly likely that a massive percentage of jockeys bet. Others will be caught.

And they all seem to get lost on the track from time to time. Sometimes inexplicably.

The hypotheticals I mentioned are about levels of culpability and of offence.

On Octopussy's race, I'd have had my house on her if he knew she'd lead. Who knew she was going to lead? And, was the early speed she showed aberrant? The stewards can't have found enough when scratching around those ones.


And L2, I'll bet on a can of worms. ;D

 

[RFC not KFC]

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Race 2 Darwin this arvo, #7 A City Girl
I purchased a little piece of her in September before she was shipped up to Darwin. She snuck home in her first start on the oil/sand track. Fitter this time and trainer thinks she'll go close.