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Thoroughbred racing
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Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Yep. Betting on another meeting is at the low end of the scale, betting on your own mount crosses the line, and betting against your own ride is just not on.
What's concerning is the hint of even worse things going on.
jb03 said:
Yep. Betting on another meeting is at the low end of the scale, betting on your own mount crosses the line, and betting against your own ride is just not on.
What's concerning is the hint of even worse things going on.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Absolutely. Jockey bets on another meeting is having a punt at best and inside trading at worst. Oliver's is race fixing at worst and corruption at best. This is seriously damaging to the whole racing industry. It reiterates why I only punt on Group races in the Spring Carnival now days - because I assume the prize money should ensure every horse, and jockey, is trying.
jb03 said:
Absolutely. Jockey bets on another meeting is having a punt at best and inside trading at worst. Oliver's is race fixing at worst and corruption at best. This is seriously damaging to the whole racing industry. It reiterates why I only punt on Group races in the Spring Carnival now days - because I assume the prize money should ensure every horse, and jockey, is trying.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Thats the next part of the investigation isnt it.
If he has been caught this time for $10k, how many other bets could have taken place without being noticed, with any jockey. The industry is a real mess at the moment.
jb03 said:
Thats the next part of the investigation isnt it.
If he has been caught this time for $10k, how many other bets could have taken place without being noticed, with any jockey. The industry is a real mess at the moment.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Don't think that assumption is necessarily correct. Jim Cassidy's hooked plenty IMO, group races or not.
tigergollywog said:
Don't think that assumption is necessarily correct. Jim Cassidy's hooked plenty IMO, group races or not.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Maybe not JB, but if the first prize for the cox plate for example is 1.8mill, so you are going to have to pay a jockey at least $200K to make it worth his while, then to cover your stake, your gonna have to put $200k on the second fav and then alarm bells are gonna go off all over the shop I would reckon. Sure Harry White would have pulled a horse up in the Kentucky Derby given the chance, but I go off the assumption that with the prize money on offer + the coverage and scrutiny, Jockeys and trainers and owners are generally trying their best in Melbourne in the Spring. This strategy also prevents me losing money for the other 10 months of the year.
Maybe not JB, but if the first prize for the cox plate for example is 1.8mill, so you are going to have to pay a jockey at least $200K to make it worth his while, then to cover your stake, your gonna have to put $200k on the second fav and then alarm bells are gonna go off all over the shop I would reckon. Sure Harry White would have pulled a horse up in the Kentucky Derby given the chance, but I go off the assumption that with the prize money on offer + the coverage and scrutiny, Jockeys and trainers and owners are generally trying their best in Melbourne in the Spring. This strategy also prevents me losing money for the other 10 months of the year.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
This is going to get very very ugly IMO.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
This is going to get very very ugly IMO.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Big difference between the Cox plate and the lower ranked Gr 3's where they race for total prizemoney of $100K. Your premise is good, more unlikely in higher profile races but also bigger pools, more bookies, more opportunity to get better prices etc when the better races are on.
I don't think Cassidy ever rode for Goerge Hanlon after his slaughter on Diatribe in the 2000 Melb Cup. I think Hanlon had to be restrained from attacking Cassidy after that race.
tigergollywog said:
Big difference between the Cox plate and the lower ranked Gr 3's where they race for total prizemoney of $100K. Your premise is good, more unlikely in higher profile races but also bigger pools, more bookies, more opportunity to get better prices etc when the better races are on.
I don't think Cassidy ever rode for Goerge Hanlon after his slaughter on Diatribe in the 2000 Melb Cup. I think Hanlon had to be restrained from attacking Cassidy after that race.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Friend of mine had a horse called Commemorating he won a Hawkesbury Guineas i think it was a few years back then went North to Queensland for the winter carnival Chris Munce rode him as favourite in the Qld Guineas was told to go back from wide draw so he promptly sat 3 and 4 wide the trip outside the leaders and the horse ran near last.
I remeber a report into the Trots at Newcastle with one driver saying they knew the finishing order before the race was run.
Friend of mine had a horse called Commemorating he won a Hawkesbury Guineas i think it was a few years back then went North to Queensland for the winter carnival Chris Munce rode him as favourite in the Qld Guineas was told to go back from wide draw so he promptly sat 3 and 4 wide the trip outside the leaders and the horse ran near last.
I remeber a report into the Trots at Newcastle with one driver saying they knew the finishing order before the race was run.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
"When Hines was asked if he had dragged the chain when it came to one of the biggest names in racing, he said: ''I refute that suggestion. This process has been conducted as quickly as possible. The suggestion in the media that admissions were received prior to this point, an admission was received yesterday and the investigation has been ongoing. We have acted as quickly as we could following sufficient evidence to lay the charge.''"
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/hines-knew-about-olivers-illegal-bet-20121113-29aie.html
Stop talking *smile* and clean it up!
"When Hines was asked if he had dragged the chain when it came to one of the biggest names in racing, he said: ''I refute that suggestion. This process has been conducted as quickly as possible. The suggestion in the media that admissions were received prior to this point, an admission was received yesterday and the investigation has been ongoing. We have acted as quickly as we could following sufficient evidence to lay the charge.''"
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/hines-knew-about-olivers-illegal-bet-20121113-29aie.html
Stop talking *smile* and clean it up!
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Your opinion is on the money Streak from what I heard this afternoon, there are a lot of very nervous people out there at the moment. Word has it that Oliver got pinged by the fact that the person he rang to place the bet, that persons phone was bugged and the cops heard the whole thing.
Streak said:
Your opinion is on the money Streak from what I heard this afternoon, there are a lot of very nervous people out there at the moment. Word has it that Oliver got pinged by the fact that the person he rang to place the bet, that persons phone was bugged and the cops heard the whole thing.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Oliver suspended for 10 months after this year's spring carnival and just in time for next year's. Weak as p!ss.
Oliver suspended for 10 months after this year's spring carnival and just in time for next year's. Weak as p!ss.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
I am stunned by this. 10 Months? He bet $10K on another horse in a race he was riding in right? It doesn't get much worse. It should be a couple of years minumum. 5 years if they are fair dinkum. Thats what this says loud and clear, they aren't fair dinkum. Ollie must have some dirt on some head honchos? The head honchos are scared of starting a process that they will be unable to control? It stinks.
Tigers of Old said:
I am stunned by this. 10 Months? He bet $10K on another horse in a race he was riding in right? It doesn't get much worse. It should be a couple of years minumum. 5 years if they are fair dinkum. Thats what this says loud and clear, they aren't fair dinkum. Ollie must have some dirt on some head honchos? The head honchos are scared of starting a process that they will be unable to control? It stinks.
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and won 20k. At least it gives him some spending money on his holiday. :spin
tigersnake said:
and won 20k. At least it gives him some spending money on his holiday. :spin
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Shocking decision, the scuttlebut about a deal being done before had comes true. Bet through Mark Hunter, cash delivered by Robert Smerdon, the woe is me defence; the mind boggles.
Nikolic would have got a life ban however.
Tigers of Old said:
Shocking decision, the scuttlebut about a deal being done before had comes true. Bet through Mark Hunter, cash delivered by Robert Smerdon, the woe is me defence; the mind boggles.
Nikolic would have got a life ban however.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Barry Crocker. Signals a dissent of Australian gallops into the gutter like the trots has been since ive been punting. The Honky Kongs stuck munchkin muncey in the big joss house for a couple of years for similar stuff didnt they? Cant believe Ollie turned on the waterworks. Hes probably having a champas with robby smerdon and laughing at La Scala as we write. I'm gonna stick to punting on the footy. At least as long as carlton or melbourne or west coast or adelaide arent playin', you know everyones tryin'. I'm gonna start by having $50 on tigs to land GGGGRRRRRundies on Thursday at 9-1
tigersnake said:
Barry Crocker. Signals a dissent of Australian gallops into the gutter like the trots has been since ive been punting. The Honky Kongs stuck munchkin muncey in the big joss house for a couple of years for similar stuff didnt they? Cant believe Ollie turned on the waterworks. Hes probably having a champas with robby smerdon and laughing at La Scala as we write. I'm gonna stick to punting on the footy. At least as long as carlton or melbourne or west coast or adelaide arent playin', you know everyones tryin'. I'm gonna start by having $50 on tigs to land GGGGRRRRRundies on Thursday at 9-1
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Did Smerdon even get a call up during the hearing?
jb03 said:
Did Smerdon even get a call up during the hearing?
