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Thoroughbred racing
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Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
haha, that sort of meal has been a luxury many times for leysy.
Good run Ethiopia BTW, got plenty of ability that horse.
Think you best nibble on some of these young Tim.
tigergollywog said:
haha, that sort of meal has been a luxury many times for leysy.
Good run Ethiopia BTW, got plenty of ability that horse.
tigertim said:Well put, Tim found out long ago long ago this is how the old boy picks so many "winners". >
Think you best nibble on some of these young Tim.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
You nailed this a coupla weeks ago, Bryza. Well played. Hope you have many of their dollars. I ended up taking your tip as the only other winning chance along with the plodder I backed. You are in great nick, mate.
The race. Glenn Boss rode the best horse to win. He was too good, so was his horse. Massacre IMO.
I know Gai and Singo are mates but her callous treatment of his horse's chances could not soon be forgotten. However even if she'd sat on the leader's back I don't think MJ could have run a drum.
All Too Hard's run reminded me of Grosvenor. I think the winner is very smart. The decisive WFA champion of the nation. The first two put up a margin on the established formline - Shoot Out. He's a B grader and a very good one. But ATH and OP are, after covering ground, five lengths better than him getting rails runs.
Ethiopia. Great run. Rhys MacLeod did everything right for the forst 600 or so. Only a bush would have had the nuts to put that field to the sword in the first 400. And that's what he did. He boldly ruined the planning of every genius involved in the race. But it was arrogant, even deluded, to come off the rail when he did. The pace was hot - you cuddle your horse. Ethiopia was clearly the third best horse in that race but he didn't run third because he was set too big a task by the rider. In his defence, I don't think any of us foresaw just how much better than the rest of them the first two across the line would prove to be.
BTW how good was Southern Speed's run? If you thought she could get two mile you'd have to figure her in the MC trifectas. Very under rated mare, probably the best in the country on her day and under the circumstances that suit her.
That was a hot run Cox Plate, not a stroll in the park where a trackworker outsprints them. All Too Hard was awesome. Destroyed the field by four lengths. Ocean Park outclassed him. Best Cox Plate win since Saintly IMO. Historic Cox Plate.
Leysy Days said:
You nailed this a coupla weeks ago, Bryza. Well played. Hope you have many of their dollars. I ended up taking your tip as the only other winning chance along with the plodder I backed. You are in great nick, mate.
The race. Glenn Boss rode the best horse to win. He was too good, so was his horse. Massacre IMO.
I know Gai and Singo are mates but her callous treatment of his horse's chances could not soon be forgotten. However even if she'd sat on the leader's back I don't think MJ could have run a drum.
All Too Hard's run reminded me of Grosvenor. I think the winner is very smart. The decisive WFA champion of the nation. The first two put up a margin on the established formline - Shoot Out. He's a B grader and a very good one. But ATH and OP are, after covering ground, five lengths better than him getting rails runs.
Ethiopia. Great run. Rhys MacLeod did everything right for the forst 600 or so. Only a bush would have had the nuts to put that field to the sword in the first 400. And that's what he did. He boldly ruined the planning of every genius involved in the race. But it was arrogant, even deluded, to come off the rail when he did. The pace was hot - you cuddle your horse. Ethiopia was clearly the third best horse in that race but he didn't run third because he was set too big a task by the rider. In his defence, I don't think any of us foresaw just how much better than the rest of them the first two across the line would prove to be.
BTW how good was Southern Speed's run? If you thought she could get two mile you'd have to figure her in the MC trifectas. Very under rated mare, probably the best in the country on her day and under the circumstances that suit her.
That was a hot run Cox Plate, not a stroll in the park where a trackworker outsprints them. All Too Hard was awesome. Destroyed the field by four lengths. Ocean Park outclassed him. Best Cox Plate win since Saintly IMO. Historic Cox Plate.
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Good point, jb, and great comparison. Ocean Park's win was very Northerly. We may very well have seen a champion yesterday. Maybe two. I can't remember the last time that happened.
Good point, jb, and great comparison. Ocean Park's win was very Northerly. We may very well have seen a champion yesterday. Maybe two. I can't remember the last time that happened.
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Best CP I can remember was the year that Super Impose won, I'm a little biased as I think he was the best horse I have ever seen. That CP was the greatest for 3 reasons,
-Best field ever for CP
-Best run by a winner, was near last and the widest on the turn
-I had loaded up at 20-1 :clap
On Gai Waterhouse, I think she is the most over-rated horse trainer ever, wins group races in Sydney against second rate fields but can't pick her nose in Melbourne against the best, the weekend proved it.
On the Melbourne Cup, I have three rules to follow that will find the winner more often than not and they are-
1, have to be a 4 or 5 year old (if the horse has won the cup before or is an overseas raider, you can be a 6 year old)
2, The horse doesnt run Derby Day
3, Most important rule, if you have run in it before and not won it, almost impossible to win. Only 2 horses have won the cup at its second attempt without winning it in its first in the last 40 years and only 3 ever I believe. Good trivia question, see if you know the 2 winners over the last 40 years.
Put a line through any horse that has ran in the Cup previously without winning it, that isn't a 4 or 5 year or raced on Derby day watch the field narrow. Back the rest and the bookies / tab percentage goes from 118 to about 60.
Best CP I can remember was the year that Super Impose won, I'm a little biased as I think he was the best horse I have ever seen. That CP was the greatest for 3 reasons,
-Best field ever for CP
-Best run by a winner, was near last and the widest on the turn
-I had loaded up at 20-1 :clap
On Gai Waterhouse, I think she is the most over-rated horse trainer ever, wins group races in Sydney against second rate fields but can't pick her nose in Melbourne against the best, the weekend proved it.
On the Melbourne Cup, I have three rules to follow that will find the winner more often than not and they are-
1, have to be a 4 or 5 year old (if the horse has won the cup before or is an overseas raider, you can be a 6 year old)
2, The horse doesnt run Derby Day
3, Most important rule, if you have run in it before and not won it, almost impossible to win. Only 2 horses have won the cup at its second attempt without winning it in its first in the last 40 years and only 3 ever I believe. Good trivia question, see if you know the 2 winners over the last 40 years.
Put a line through any horse that has ran in the Cup previously without winning it, that isn't a 4 or 5 year or raced on Derby day watch the field narrow. Back the rest and the bookies / tab percentage goes from 118 to about 60.
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Reckon Better Loosen Up should have won that, was knocked over/squeezed when it was close to looking the winner. Gee it was a great field wasn't it, I think Naturalism who fell, may have even started favourite against some modern greats.
ARCHYBOY said:
Reckon Better Loosen Up should have won that, was knocked over/squeezed when it was close to looking the winner. Gee it was a great field wasn't it, I think Naturalism who fell, may have even started favourite against some modern greats.
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Had that arguement with a great mate for years but sadly he is no longer with us for the debate to continue. Better Loosen Up caused most of the carnage by going for a run that wasn't there. Jockey on Better won the protest of 5th vs 2nd and then got suspended for careless riding, could never work that out and have discussed that before with a steward that I know. Naturalism started a short fav and can also remember the scenics saying the Dittman got paid to jump off him, that was the biggest insult to one of the best hoops that has ever ridden.
jb03 said:
Had that arguement with a great mate for years but sadly he is no longer with us for the debate to continue. Better Loosen Up caused most of the carnage by going for a run that wasn't there. Jockey on Better won the protest of 5th vs 2nd and then got suspended for careless riding, could never work that out and have discussed that before with a steward that I know. Naturalism started a short fav and can also remember the scenics saying the Dittman got paid to jump off him, that was the biggest insult to one of the best hoops that has ever ridden.
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
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I think Empire Rose was onme of them, Archy.
As for Better Loosen Up, when TBH was a poor student with a grand total of $20 to his name he was backing a 3-year-old named BLU in races like the Gosford Guineas, when he saw an ad in The Truth for a 1/4 share in the future champ. It was advertised two weeks in a row before BLU ran a place in a Rosehill or Randwick Guineas. Have always wondered how much that share went for.
I think Empire Rose was onme of them, Archy.
As for Better Loosen Up, when TBH was a poor student with a grand total of $20 to his name he was backing a 3-year-old named BLU in races like the Gosford Guineas, when he saw an ad in The Truth for a 1/4 share in the future champ. It was advertised two weeks in a row before BLU ran a place in a Rosehill or Randwick Guineas. Have always wondered how much that share went for.
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Correct TBH, Empire Rose is one of them.
A clue to the next, ran 5th (I think) and the following year was thrown in with 48.5 kilos, handicapper must have been p!ssed when he did the weights that year.
Myth has it BLU was bought for $4400 so I would presume the 1/4 share went for $1100.
On the "92 CP to JB, Prince Salieri was the unlucky runner in that race and should've won it or run second at worst, was boxed in with no galloping room for 200-300ms and the got pollaxed with 50m to go.
Tony Braxton-Hicks said:
Correct TBH, Empire Rose is one of them.
A clue to the next, ran 5th (I think) and the following year was thrown in with 48.5 kilos, handicapper must have been p!ssed when he did the weights that year.
Myth has it BLU was bought for $4400 so I would presume the 1/4 share went for $1100.
On the "92 CP to JB, Prince Salieri was the unlucky runner in that race and should've won it or run second at worst, was boxed in with no galloping room for 200-300ms and the got pollaxed with 50m to go.
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
BLU may have been bought originally for 4400 but after some black type it would surely have been much more.
However, he had a pelvic fracture and had to be put away until the spring, when he won what is now the Emirates but would then have been the Ampol or some such extinct sponsor.
I'm with you, BTW, on the first time winner policy for the Cup. Haven't missed too many Cup winners over the years but the lead-up form these days is very different with the number of imports. Youtube is now a great form guide.
Having a good spring...
BLU may have been bought originally for 4400 but after some black type it would surely have been much more.
However, he had a pelvic fracture and had to be put away until the spring, when he won what is now the Emirates but would then have been the Ampol or some such extinct sponsor.
I'm with you, BTW, on the first time winner policy for the Cup. Haven't missed too many Cup winners over the years but the lead-up form these days is very different with the number of imports. Youtube is now a great form guide.
Having a good spring...
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
To true with the ever changing nature of the race. 10 years or more ago when I followed those rules, I was left with 5 runners but now it's more like 12. Myself and a mates old man did it years and we won enough to keep the solves from the door.
Have to got the other winner yet mate??
To true with the ever changing nature of the race. 10 years or more ago when I followed those rules, I was left with 5 runners but now it's more like 12. Myself and a mates old man did it years and we won enough to keep the solves from the door.
Have to got the other winner yet mate??
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
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Was the other one Gold and Black? I think I was cheering him on when van der hum won.
Tommy Woodcock's Reckless is the other one I remember from that year.
Was the other one Gold and Black? I think I was cheering him on when van der hum won.
Tommy Woodcock's Reckless is the other one I remember from that year.
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Gold and Black? Did he run or was he scratched the year Vanderhum won?
Hyperno was a very unlucky 3rd behind Gold and Black and Reckless (Andrews got trigger happy). Then two years later made four searching runs through the field to beat Salamander, who got a cuddle on the speed and ran a very stout second.
On Super Impose's awesome CP win, Let's Elope was effectively second up in the race, went wide round the lot of them over the final 1000, or so and IMO was a certainty beaten. She wasn't not looking for rails runs (nor was SI); she was set the task of outclassing a sensational field and almost did it. IMO the setback in her prep and the very ambitious ride cost her a place in history.
BLU and Super Impose were champs IMO.
Gold and Black? Did he run or was he scratched the year Vanderhum won?
Hyperno was a very unlucky 3rd behind Gold and Black and Reckless (Andrews got trigger happy). Then two years later made four searching runs through the field to beat Salamander, who got a cuddle on the speed and ran a very stout second.
On Super Impose's awesome CP win, Let's Elope was effectively second up in the race, went wide round the lot of them over the final 1000, or so and IMO was a certainty beaten. She wasn't not looking for rails runs (nor was SI); she was set the task of outclassing a sensational field and almost did it. IMO the setback in her prep and the very ambitious ride cost her a place in history.
BLU and Super Impose were champs IMO.
Tony Braxton-Hicks
There are no stupid ideas, just stupid people
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Gold and Black may have been scratched: all I remember was cursing the rain all day.
Let's Elope was underdone and it cost her in the CP. Remember that match race with BLU at Caulfield, where they jogged until the 600? If they'd pushed it harder she may have been a bit tighter for the Plate.
I saw a lot of Super: a friend of a friend was an owner but he was generally second best when it came to wfa: firstly behind Vo Rogue (may favourite gladiator) and then behind BLU. Went to Randwick for one of Super's Doncasters, where he was a freak. Probably my favourite era
Anyway, the Racing Review replay has finished so I'm off to bed/ Good to chat Golden Archy.
(As for Prince salieri, always the bridesmaid and never the bride.)
Gold and Black may have been scratched: all I remember was cursing the rain all day.
Let's Elope was underdone and it cost her in the CP. Remember that match race with BLU at Caulfield, where they jogged until the 600? If they'd pushed it harder she may have been a bit tighter for the Plate.
I saw a lot of Super: a friend of a friend was an owner but he was generally second best when it came to wfa: firstly behind Vo Rogue (may favourite gladiator) and then behind BLU. Went to Randwick for one of Super's Doncasters, where he was a freak. Probably my favourite era
Anyway, the Racing Review replay has finished so I'm off to bed/ Good to chat Golden Archy.
(As for Prince salieri, always the bridesmaid and never the bride.)
Re: Thoroughbred Horse Racing [Merged]
Before your head hits the pillow mate, the other horse was Brew in 2000. Ran 10th (I said 5th ooops) in 1999 and the won the next year carrying 49.5.
Before your head hits the pillow mate, the other horse was Brew in 2000. Ran 10th (I said 5th ooops) in 1999 and the won the next year carrying 49.5.
