The Potential Trading Of McMahon

[Tigers_06]

A game plan would definitely help a player like McMahon. Actually it'd help every player. He's made his bloopers but overall he does have good disposal. I think a few would agree, its his lack of toughness and defensive skill that irks people.

Sh!ts me to tears as well that he isn't the type to go in when the going gets tough. I guess that will be Hardwicks challenge now, to get McMahon to commit to that type of footy. Doesn't have to do it recklessly, but when its his turn to go it would be nice to see him go. The fact that he was one of the few who was willing to stand in front of 100-105kg Buddy Franklin in round 21 we can at least see that he is prepared to do it when he has no other option, be great to see it a little more frequently.

 

[Ian4]

I wasn't asking for any reason to do with Jordy ToO. It was a genuine general question. I can't think of any contracted players being delisted and am interested to know if others can.

zantuck

Sorry rosy, misunderstood.
You'd have to be pretty bad for a club to pay your contract for a season just to get you out of the place. Jordy almost fits the bill.

he fits the bill 100%

Really is interesting watching the myth about how McMahon is a hack footballer is repeated over and over and over. Just out of curiosity I thought I would have a look at his stats from this season.

Games: 12
Ave Disposals: 18.8
Ball Recieves (handball & kick): 14.8
Disposal Efficiency: 74.3%
Tackles: 2.6
Inside 50's: 3.1
Rebound 50's: 3.8
1% (spoils, shepards): 2.5
Skill Errors: 1.4
Critical Errors (clangers): 1.5

To me it seems like people focus on the odd occassions that McMahon turns the ball over and use them to hang it on him. Looking at the stats McMahon makes less that 3 total errors per game. For the record, Steve Johnson makes over 7 total errors per game(4.1 critical errors & 3.7 skill errors) and Swan makes over 6 per game(3.1 critical errors & 3.6 skill errors).

I wonder what the thoughts would be about these 2 if they played for Richmond given how often they stuff up. But I forgot, they're matchwinners so their stuff ups get excused and we would trade the farm to get them, maybe not Swan. But you get what I mean, just because a player has a poor year in a poor side it doesn't mean that their value at the trade table.

good post. that'll pump up his trade value ;D

dud of the highest order.

and thats putting it mildly

Spreads well,

haha, the latest AFL buzz word

The stat I'm interested in is the number of tackles he tried to lay but which were broken.

i saw him get a free kick for holding the ball in one game this year... i was stunned.

I think that Sanchez is harshly marked due to the pick we gave up and the $$$ we committed to him. If we had got him in the PSD would everyone be so critical ?

trade pick 19. 3 year $1 mil contract. dud.

18.8 disposals per game less than 2 skill errors and less than 2 critical errors per game average 74% efficiency. How is that he turns the ball over, just another myth that people like to repeat ad nauseum in the hope that if enough people hear it, then everyone will believe it.

is that you jordy? i hear you're also a tight ar$e. is that true? :hihi

 

[Baloo]

I think coming to Richmond was the biggest mistake Sanchez made in his AFL career.

 

[Rfc4Ever]

I think coming to Richmond was the biggest mistake Sanchez made in his AFL career.

I think Richmond trading for him was worse.

 

[Barnzy]

18.8 disposals per game less than 2 skill errors and less than 2 critical errors per game average 74% efficiency. How is that he turns the ball over, just another myth that people like to repeat ad nauseum in the hope that if enough people hear it, then everyone will believe it.

Stats also say McMahon is a better kick than Deledio and Cotchin, is that true?

My god...do you even watch games you deluded fool. McMahon is a clanger king.

 

[Ian4]

Stats also say McMahon is a better kick than Deledio and Cotchin, is that true?

My god...do you even watch games you deluded fool. McMahon is a clanger king.

can anyone provide a stat on turnovers under no pressure? ie. turnovers/clangers from uncontested posessions?

 

[GoodOne]

can anyone provide a stat on turnovers under no pressure? ie. turnovers/clangers from uncontested posessions?

Skill errors is the most appropriate I'd say These are errors under no pressure. McMahon is 16th on the Tigers list with 1.4 per game. Top of the list is Richo with 3.0 Jackson with 2.0, Deledio 1.9, Tambling/Cotchin/Tuck/Brown/Bowden 1.8.

More realistic would be skill errors per possession, not per game. I have calculated these out for players who played more than 5 games. McMahon is 21st on the list of most skill errors per possession at 7.77%.

On top is Richo with 20.27%, Reiwlodt 15.4% Simmonds 13.04%, Hislop 12.96%, Morton 11.97%, Thursfield 11.59%, Edwards 11.53%, Cotchin 11,39%

At the other end of the scale we have Vickery 2.32% (but only 8.6 uncontested possies a game), Cousins 5.06%, Newman 5.49%, Coughlan 5.91%, Rance 6.56%, Collins 7.07%, Moore 7.33%, White 7.38%, Bowden 7.4%

Stats aren't the be all and end all and there are a number of factors but it seems to have got Cousins right at one end and Richo at the other end as I would have expected so interesting stats nevertheless.

 

[Tigers_06]

Stats also say McMahon is a better kick than Deledio and Cotchin, is that true?

My god...do you even watch games you deluded fool. McMahon is a clanger king.

Here we go again, its an urban legend that McMahon is a clanger king, yet the stats say he has made 17 clangers in 12 games according to the RFC site. Thats an average of around 1.5 clangers per game.

Now I ask again, how can a player who averages less that 1.5 clangers per game get laballed a clanger king?

I know, its because fools, like you, read a post on the net where someone says that McMahon is a clanger king and they take it as gospel that its true, even when stats are provided to show that said player isn't a clanger king, they would rather keep bleating that they are a clanger king rather than admit that they got it wrong.

BTW, I'll make it clear again, if we can trade McMahon, I'll be all for it. However, I wont be overly disappointed if we have to keep him either, with a simple gameplan to follow McMahon could still turnout to be a very handy player for us.

 

[Baloo]

It's a bit more than that Sixer. Because Sanchez is a squib, people tend to focus on his screw ups, so that's half the reason. The second is Sanchez is that type of player that when he has a clanger, more often than not it's a really bad one.

Because of the severity of the clanger, and his squibiness, it's easy for people to forget the good his does on the park.

 

[walhalla tiger]

Here we go again, its an urban legend that McMahon is a clanger king, yet the stats say he has made 17 clangers in 12 games according to the RFC site. Thats an average of around 1.5 clangers per game.

Now I ask again, how can a player who averages less that 1.5 clangers per game get laballed a clanger king?

I know, its because fools, like you, read a post on the net where someone says that McMahon is a clanger king and they take it as gospel that its true, even when stats are provided to show that said player isn't a clanger king, they would rather keep bleating that they are a clanger king rather than admit that they got it wrong.

BTW, I'll make it clear again, if we can trade McMahon, I'll be all for it. However, I wont be overly disappointed if we have to keep him either, with a simple gameplan to follow McMahon could still turnout to be a very handy player for us.
agree, dont lay a tackle, coral, and say boo. should work

 

[walhalla tiger]

and i repeat.....agree, dont lay a tackle, coral, and say boo. should work

 

[Ian4]

Stats aren't the be all and end all

your stats certainly proved that :hihi

 

[Tigers of Old]

Is there a stat for squibbyness? I expect he'd feature quite prominently.

 

[craig]

I think Balooga has just invented a new word ;D

Squibbiness ....................... its a good un

 

[Baloo]

I think Balooga has just invented a new word ;D

Squibbiness ....................... its a good un

it's already been used twice and both times misspelt

 

[linuscambridge]

Skill errors is the most appropriate I'd say These are errors under no pressure. McMahon is 16th on the Tigers list with 1.4 per game. Top of the list is Richo with 3.0 Jackson with 2.0, Deledio 1.9, Tambling/Cotchin/Tuck/Brown/Bowden 1.8.

More realistic would be skill errors per possession, not per game. I have calculated these out for players who played more than 5 games. McMahon is 21st on the list of most skill errors per possession at 7.77%.

On top is Richo with 20.27%, Reiwlodt 15.4% Simmonds 13.04%, Hislop 12.96%, Morton 11.97%, Thursfield 11.59%, Edwards 11.53%, Cotchin 11,39%

At the other end of the scale we have Vickery 2.32% (but only 8.6 uncontested possies a game), Cousins 5.06%, Newman 5.49%, Coughlan 5.91%, Rance 6.56%, Collins 7.07%, Moore 7.33%, White 7.38%, Bowden 7.4%

Stats aren't the be all and end all and there are a number of factors but it seems to have got Cousins right at one end and Richo at the other end as I would have expected so interesting stats nevertheless.

Good post that.

I knew that Mc Mahon was going to suffer once Pettifer got the axe. Pre needs a whipping boy and history would show it is usually a guy who gets a game for his above average skills, but unfortuantely has significantly below average hardness.

Personally I think the draft looks a little thin, certainly in players with even average foot skills, after the first round so I don't believe a third round pick is any sort of compensation for a player with Mc Mahons skill set.

The question is do you take a player like a Matty White, a guy who is all heart but with dead average skills, and try and teach him how to kick. Or do you roll the dice and try and teach a guy with pretty good skills how to harden up and lay a few tackles that stick. I reckon you have more chance of the later.

 

[the claw]

Nope - 74% for a final 50 entry specialist is a *smile* stat.

Secondly watched games when the only turnovers he made were his final 50 entries.

The stat I'm interested in is the number of tackles he tried to lay but which were broken. Watched three in one game.

I do not like Sanchez at all and I have no issue with him other than with his performances on the field.

He has to go otherwise there is no credibility to us playing a hard accountable football style.

what you dont have an issue with that mo. shame on you.

Good post that.

I knew that Mc Mahon was going to suffer once Pettifer got the axe. Pre needs a whipping boy and history would show it is usually a guy who gets a game for his above average skills, but unfortuantely has significantly below average hardness.

Personally I think the draft looks a little thin, certainly in players with even average foot skills, after the first round so I don't believe a third round pick is any sort of compensation for a player with Mc Mahons skill set.

The question is do you take a player like a Matty White, a guy who is all heart but with dead average skills, and try and teach him how to kick. Or do you roll the dice and try and teach a guy with pretty good skills how to harden up and lay a few tackles that stick. I reckon you have more chance of the later.

what a load of codswallop. mcmahon has copped it for his entire time at the club and rightly so. pettifer has nothing to do with it.

you talk about skillsets what skill set does jordy mcsquib have.

and stats people bloody hell do we need emwhen it comes to this bloke what you lot need stats to back you up or confirm what you think. stats schmats they are for losers.

 

[Tigers_06]

what you dont have an issue with that mo. shame on you.
what a load of codswallop. mcmahon has copped it for his entire time at the club and rightly so. pettifer has nothing to do with it.

you talk about skillsets what skill set does jordy mcsquib have.

and stats people bloody hell do we need emwhen it comes to this bloke what you lot need stats to back you up or confirm what you think. stats schmats they are for losers.

Especially when they don't back up the beliefs of those who think that McMahon is a clanger king. :spin

 

[bowden4president]

As much as most of us want it to happen, I can't see why another club would want him.

Due to his squibiness, he never puts himself on the line for his team. And he may not be the clanger king but he has had some pretty bad one's and often when he's under little or no pressure!

And finally and probably the worst. The "I have come to clean Zee pooool" porno mustache should not be allowed on the footy field

 

[AZZORP]

Keep it up Tigers 06. For every misinformed, hysterical, childish, baseless comment on Jordy, you come back with a reasoned, factual response. It's been a pleasure reading some posts that don't read like something Fev threw up on the toilet floor at Crown the other night.

I'm no Jordy fan for our team in it's current form, I can certainly see why he was recruited and can see why other sides may see some value in him.