The Potential Trading Of McMahon

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Come on Kernel, if Nahas can be the 2nd most effective tackler at the Tigers then McMahon can do it.  Some players arent as good as others at certain skill aspects but it is clear that McMahon chooses not to put his body on the line.  Not every player in a team is designated to put their body on the line though.  But they should do the team thing when the occasion arises.

I agree to some exptent. But Nahas gets a lot of run down tackles because he chases the rebound out of our forward line. A HBF like Sanchez has to tackle players coming at him more often, which requires more strength.

If Nahas played back my prediction would be he would get embarrassingly steamrolled as often as Jordy does.

 

[GoodOne]

If Nahas played back my prediction would be he would get embarrassingly steamrolled as often as Jordy does.

Seen Nahas apply some beautiful tackles front on too. It's all about technique.

 

[thomas the tiger]

Would St Kilda go for McMahon plus our 2nd round pick if 18ish for Luke Ball.

Generally against trading low picks but this could be a decen swap if Ball wants out.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Seen Nahas apply some beautiful tackles front on too. It's all about technique.

I've seen him bounce ineffectively off plenty of players too.

I agree technique is important, I used to say it too when I coached to motivate people, but it will only take you so far, there is a reason rugby league prop forwards are 120kg.

 

[Tigers2011]

McMahon can't tackle frontwards, backwards or sideways because he just doesn't want to tackle.

As mentioned earlier, he is useless. Our marketing department would struggle for a 10 second highlight tape of him to show the saints.

Some Bulldog supporters that I know can't believe we traded pick 19 for him on top of giving Wallace a five year deal!! They still laugh about it today, which makes a four hour round of golf with them hard to take.

 

[Willo]

I've seen him bounce ineffectively off plenty of players too.

I agree technique is important, I used to say it too when I coached to motivate people, but it will only take you so far, there is a reason rugby league prop forwards are 120kg.

Well I remember Alfie Langer and Geoff Toovey being terrific tacklers and bringing prop forwards down Col. ;D

 

[FitenFitenWin]

Well I remember Alfie Langer and Geoff Toovey being terrific tacklers and bringing prop forwards down Col. ;D

Alfie Langer was built like the head of a hammer.

 

[Tigers_06]

McMahon can't tackle frontwards, backwards or sideways because he just doesn't want to tackle.

He averaged more tackles per game than Moore, Thursfield & McGuane, if we're going to get rid of McMahon because he 'doesn't' tackle, we should get rid of them too? Pretty *smile* poor for 3 KPD to be out tackled per game by a bloke who is widely regarded by his own supporters as a squib.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Well I remember Alfie Langer and Geoff Toovey being terrific tacklers and bringing prop forwards down Col. ;D

Point taken, but I reckon both those fellahs (you could have added Gregan in Union too) are a lot stronger and better built than Sanchez and Nahas and had the advantage that their tackles could drop below the knees.

 

[Ian4]

I knew that Mc Mahon was going to suffer once Pettifer got the axe. Pre needs a whipping boy and history would show it is usually a guy who gets a game for his above average skills, but unfortuantely has significantly below average hardness.

once again, it makes me wonder why newman isn't more of a whipping boy on this site... although in regards to newman, i would replace the word hardness with the word decision making

And finally and probably the worst. The "I have come to clean Zee pooool" porno mustache should not be allowed on the footy field

i would call it bum fluff. jaxson barham has the porn star mo

Keep it up Tigers 06. For every misinformed, hysterical, childish, baseless comment on Jordy, you come back with a reasoned, factual response. It's been a pleasure reading some posts that don't read like something Fev threw up on the toilet floor at Crown the other night.

I'm no Jordy fan for our team in it's current form, I can certainly see why he was recruited and can see why other sides may see some value in him.

is that you greg miller?

 

[Freezer]

He averaged more tackles per game than Moore, Thursfield & McGuane, if we're going to get rid of McMahon because he 'doesn't' tackle, we should get rid of them too? Pretty p!ss poor for 3 KPD to be out tackled per game by a bloke who is widely regarded by his own supporters as a squib.

It is *smile* poor, and a major reason we finished 15th.

McGuane needs to be upgraded, Moore's only had one good season but has plenty of upside and no doubt the heat is being turned op on WillyT. They all need to lift.

That doesn't mean McMahon isn't a pointless waste of a list spot.

 

[Tigers_06]

It is p!ss poor, and a major reason we finished 15th.

McGuane needs to be upgraded, Moore's only had one good season but has plenty of upside and no doubt the heat is being turned op on WillyT. They all need to lift.

That doesn't mean McMahon isn't a pointless waste of a list spot.

Have never disputed that McMahon needs to go, just trying to put it into perspective.

 

[Tigerbob]

Have never disputed that McMahon needs to go, just trying to put it into perspective.

To put it in perspective, what is the tackling rates of Key position players to smalls?

I think to compare McMahon to three Key Position players is very cheeky and making stats favor your argument.

McMahon avoids physical contact. Those three guys welcome it. I fail to see how we can compare these players. ???

 

[zippadeee]

after rays and dempster's game the saints will Not chase to pick up mcmahon, there supporters will burn down moorabbin, saying that it would be like renovating moorabbin.. just get rid of him and get some ROOKE types "PACKBUSTERS"

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

KPD don't get many tackles. Matty Scarlett averaged 1.4 tackles a games last year, so did Lake.

Luke averaged 1.7, Kel 2.3 and Will 1.2

Our problems with tackling last year weren't because of our KPD, if you look at who does most of the tackling in the AFL in tends to be midfielders. http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2009&rt=LA&st=TA

 

[Tigerbob]

KPD don't get many tackles. Matty Scarlett averaged 1.4 tackles a games last year, so did Lake.

Luke averaged 1.7, Kel 2.3 and Will 1.2

Our problems with tackling last year weren't because of our KPD, if you look at who does most of the tackling in the AFL in tends to be midfielders. http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2009&rt=LA&st=TA

As I thought.

Thanks for that mate.

 

[Tiger74]

Looking at everyone, 2009 tackle averages (per game) are:

Rank Name Games Average
1 Daniel Jackson   22 4.86
2 Mark Coughlan   9 4.11
3 Robin Nahas   19 3.95
4 Matthew White   16 3.94
5 Nathan Foley   14 3.93
6 Brett Deledio   22 3.55
7 Shane Tuck   19 3.26
8 Chris Newman   21 3.19
9 Richard Tambling   20 3.15
10 Ben Cousins   15 3.00
11 Andrew Collins   10 2.90
12 Angus Graham   16 2.88
13 Alex Rance   15 2.87
14 Tom Hislop   12 2.83
15 Mitch Morton   21 2.67
16 Jordan McMahon   12 2.58
17 Jack Riewoldt   20 2.40
18 Troy Simmonds   11 2.27
19 Kelvin Moore   19 2.26
20 Jake King   8 2.25
21 Dean Polo   21 2.19
22 Trent Cotchin   10 2.10
23 Adam Pattison   8 2.00
23 Shane Edwards   15 2.00
25 Tyrone Vickery   9 1.89
26 Nathan G. Brown   13 1.85
27 Luke McGuane   22 1.68
28 Joel Bowden   12 1.67
29 Jayden Post   7 1.43
30 Will Thursfield   13 1.23
31 Jarrod Silvester   5 1.20
32 Matthew Richardson   6 0.50

Only players McMahon is doing better than are Polo, Edwards, and King who could be considered remotely comparable to McMahon.  Rest are either our tall backs, rucks, tall forwards, or Cotchin and Brown.

*** only players with 5+ games are available on these stats ***

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Only players McMahon is doing better than are Polo, Edwards, and King who could be considered remotely comparable to McMahon. Rest are either our tall backs, rucks, tall forwards, or Cotchin and Brown.

:hihi Or another way to look at it is that McMahon is our second highest tackling back after Rance >.

I actually don't think it's his tackling so much as his shut down ability (or lack there of) that is his biggest problem.

 

[Tiger74]

:hihi Or another way to look at it is that McMahon is our second highest tackling back after Rance >.

I actually don't think it's his tackling so much as his shut down ability (or lack there of) that is his biggest problem.

don't you know Tambling is a half back :rofl

I miss that very repetitive discussion

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

don't you know Tambling is a half back :rofl

I miss that very repetitive discussion

But is he a elite half back like Andrew McLeod or is he a core half forward like Aron Davey or has he just just played 7 good games like Leon Davis? 8)