Aaron Fiora comes to mind when talking St.Kilda trades, both play pretty similar types of footy... neither would ever be a power force in a gun side.
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The Potential Trading Of McMahon
- Thread starter Smoking Aces
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I thought McMahon had a pretty good year in 2008; don't know what happened this year. The same could be said for the majority of the list.
SCOOP said:
Ross Lyon and his trading philosophies are from his time at Sydney.
The value is in what they can achieve with the player and are happy to trade what they think he is worth.
Jordan McMahon obviously fills a need, hence why the rumors have started and have not been denied. In fact from the interview with Ross Lyon it is obvious talks have begun already.
Pick 33 may be a tad excessive, but you see trades like that all the time, especially when part of the wages are being paid. The Saints are in their "window". A loss on Saturday and as silly as it sounds the Saints may see an experienced runner who can slot straight in as what they need. Who knows why, but as I said, they obviously see something in McMahon.
In saying that, would I like to bet on it? Not on your life, I only bet on near sure things. Richmond losing has made me a lot of money. ;D
Really is interesting watching the myth about how McMahon is a hack footballer is repeated over and over and over. Just out of curiosity I thought I would have a look at his stats from this season.
Games: 12
Ave Disposals: 18.8
Ball Recieves (handball & kick): 14.8
Disposal Efficiency: 74.3%
Tackles: 2.6
Inside 50's: 3.1
Rebound 50's: 3.8
1% (spoils, shepards): 2.5
Skill Errors: 1.4
Critical Errors (clangers): 1.5
To me it seems like people focus on the odd occassions that McMahon turns the ball over and use them to hang it on him. Looking at the stats McMahon makes less that 3 total errors per game. For the record, Steve Johnson makes over 7 total errors per game(4.1 critical errors & 3.7 skill errors) and Swan makes over 6 per game(3.1 critical errors & 3.6 skill errors).
I wonder what the thoughts would be about these 2 if they played for Richmond given how often they stuff up. But I forgot, they're matchwinners so their stuff ups get excused and we would trade the farm to get them, maybe not Swan. But you get what I mean, just because a player has a poor year in a poor side it doesn't mean that their value at the trade table.
Games: 12
Ave Disposals: 18.8
Ball Recieves (handball & kick): 14.8
Disposal Efficiency: 74.3%
Tackles: 2.6
Inside 50's: 3.1
Rebound 50's: 3.8
1% (spoils, shepards): 2.5
Skill Errors: 1.4
Critical Errors (clangers): 1.5
To me it seems like people focus on the odd occassions that McMahon turns the ball over and use them to hang it on him. Looking at the stats McMahon makes less that 3 total errors per game. For the record, Steve Johnson makes over 7 total errors per game(4.1 critical errors & 3.7 skill errors) and Swan makes over 6 per game(3.1 critical errors & 3.6 skill errors).
I wonder what the thoughts would be about these 2 if they played for Richmond given how often they stuff up. But I forgot, they're matchwinners so their stuff ups get excused and we would trade the farm to get them, maybe not Swan. But you get what I mean, just because a player has a poor year in a poor side it doesn't mean that their value at the trade table.
:clap great post Tigers_06.
I think I got caught up with the crowd and was quick to blame him too but if we accept that Wallarse didnt have a real game plan and the players hated the way they were playing, maybe McMuffin can be excused also. I do not think he is our worst player and he may be able to play a part in our resurgence and be that link man from the backline that we need - with better players around him and all knowing the game plan he may be ok.
I am not sure selling him for a cheap price is in our best interests - he is possibly worth a lot more to us to keep him than to pick up a 3rd or 4th round pick in the ND that is touted as very shallow.
I think I got caught up with the crowd and was quick to blame him too but if we accept that Wallarse didnt have a real game plan and the players hated the way they were playing, maybe McMuffin can be excused also. I do not think he is our worst player and he may be able to play a part in our resurgence and be that link man from the backline that we need - with better players around him and all knowing the game plan he may be ok.
I am not sure selling him for a cheap price is in our best interests - he is possibly worth a lot more to us to keep him than to pick up a 3rd or 4th round pick in the ND that is touted as very shallow.
good stats there tiger,
i believe when a side is struggling across the board like we are we need to blame someone
in a good side where every one does their job jordy would be a good player - not a star but a good contributer
the 22 that play for us each week - most not all would contribute in a better side where their deficiencies wouldnt be scrutinised as much
every player (except ablett maybe) has their deficiencies, even riewoldt who misses shots that he should get
the fact that we dont have a spine, some big bodies and some direction means all our players are under more pressure and more scrutiny
we dont protect each other and we dont work hard enough to find space - that affects our skill level
we dont apply enough pressure to the opposition that allows their skills to look better
we are not fit enough or strong enough which impacts our confidence and ability
all these factors account for good players not developing at RFC and not being able to improve
it all comes down to the right mix at the right time, currently jordy is a soft unnacountable player in a soft unnacountable team - put him in a harder environment with better players and he would be better than he is with us
a big bodied spine allows fringe players to play better and with more confidence and until we get a solid spine, with some big bodies the trend will continue
i believe when a side is struggling across the board like we are we need to blame someone
in a good side where every one does their job jordy would be a good player - not a star but a good contributer
the 22 that play for us each week - most not all would contribute in a better side where their deficiencies wouldnt be scrutinised as much
every player (except ablett maybe) has their deficiencies, even riewoldt who misses shots that he should get
the fact that we dont have a spine, some big bodies and some direction means all our players are under more pressure and more scrutiny
we dont protect each other and we dont work hard enough to find space - that affects our skill level
we dont apply enough pressure to the opposition that allows their skills to look better
we are not fit enough or strong enough which impacts our confidence and ability
all these factors account for good players not developing at RFC and not being able to improve
it all comes down to the right mix at the right time, currently jordy is a soft unnacountable player in a soft unnacountable team - put him in a harder environment with better players and he would be better than he is with us
a big bodied spine allows fringe players to play better and with more confidence and until we get a solid spine, with some big bodies the trend will continue
Tigers_06 said:
Good stats.
Unfortunately they don't show him as the soft, unaccountable, "I'm not going near that pack", "I'm not gonna worry about my man" player that he is.
I notice there's no contested possession stats in that list. Doubt there was any to register.
Wrap him up in stats as much as you want, he's a detriment to the side.
Seems like just about everyone associated with the Wallace era, that hasn't lived up to their potential, has been tainted with the brush of failure. Instead of writing them all off perhaps we should give them a chance to show what they can do under a coach that isn't going to change gameplans every 10 minutes.
Tigers_06 said:
I'll take you as list manager over SCOOP any day. McMahon has tradeable skills - he has his strong suits and has glaring weaknesses. With the right complementary players around him and the right system - he's (almost) another Giansiracusa.
Get in there 06 and bring home the bacon!
Freezer said:
Good post.
Stats schmats, he's a dud.
Not AFL standard IMO. The Bullies new exactly what they were offloading.
mcmahon is a nine yr player the dogs could not get him out of there quick enough and muggins richmond gave up pick 19 for him.Tigers_06 said:
what area is he going to improve after 9yrs. kicking sheesh hes supposed to be elite already an enormous turnover merchant always has been. one good yr in 9 what we hope and pray he has another one do we, i tell ya now it aint gunna happen. how about size still has the body of a rookie after 9yrs do you really think he will miraculously bulk up. defensive side to his game after 9 yrs is non existent a soft insipid squib who regularly turns the ball over who doesnt chase tackle or shepherd the only redeeming feature he runs hard when it suits.
the only thing saving him atm is hes contracted .dud of the highest order.
Considering that the club would probably have to pay someone to take him off their hands why don't we do a whip round in PRE and see if we can get enough to make it worth the Saint's while?
Freezer said:
I'll admit he is not the biggest contested ball winner in the league, thats not what got him drafted, or what got him 9 years at AFL level. It his ability to run and carry, its his ability to deliver long accurate passes into the F50 when coming out of D50. It his ability to have a 74% disposal efficiency in a year when most of the 'experts' on here say he had a crap year and is a turnover merchant.
I would love someone to explain to me how a bloke can have 3/4 of his possessions for the year be rated as effective, as well as have less than 3 skill/critical errors per game and yet be a turnover merchant? Oh thats right he plays for Richmond, there are plenty of players in the league who make more errors and have a poorer disposal efficiency than McMahon and we would love to have them running around for us if given the chance.
the claw said:
Spreads well, runs to space around the contest, is rarely a stationary target, reads the play above average, delivers the ball above average when his pecker's up, has an engine - all good skills in the right team.
Nope - 74% for a final 50 entry specialist is a *smile* stat.
Secondly watched games when the only turnovers he made were his final 50 entries.
The stat I'm interested in is the number of tackles he tried to lay but which were broken. Watched three in one game.
I do not like Sanchez at all and I have no issue with him other than with his performances on the field.
He has to go otherwise there is no credibility to us playing a hard accountable football style.
Secondly watched games when the only turnovers he made were his final 50 entries.
The stat I'm interested in is the number of tackles he tried to lay but which were broken. Watched three in one game.
I do not like Sanchez at all and I have no issue with him other than with his performances on the field.
He has to go otherwise there is no credibility to us playing a hard accountable football style.
