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The Official "RFC Coaching Position" Discussion Thread
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jb03 said:
I disagree. After the extensive interviews so have a bunch of candidates lkeft who are very good and could all be an asset to our club. There is nothing wrong in trying to convince a candidate to take a development/assistant role if the process has revealed that he is better than our existing assistants.
So it looks like almost a certainty that Hardwick will not be at the Hawks next year.scooty said:
TOT70 said:
Directors of Coaching don't usually have "Elite developer of talent" as their main name badge.
Keep in mind a few things,
1) I believe Richardson is contracted to Essendon (I'm not 100% but pretty sure), clubs won't let assistants play music chairs
2) His only way out of Essendon will be senior Coach role, when was the last time a contracted Assistant left other than for such or retirement?
3) You talk about his strategic movements. It would not be good strategy to break a contract for the same thing at another club just before you are about to go into finals with them possibly (doesn't matter what you call the position, if it's not the senior role it is an assistant position in the eyes of other clubs). Thankfully, AFL football is the one place that recognises job titles mean SFA in footy departments.
I don't get why you say his speciality in development makes him a ideal Director of Coaching, isn't that what we have Player Development Head's and Assistants for?
Director of Coaching is a bit of a wanky name created by Collingwood which really was about having a strategic/tactical mind coordinating and ensuring the coaching departments mesh together and provide elite opposition analysis. Which is why minds like Eade, Laidley etc have been associated with them before.
Dyer Disciple said:
Brian Royal has been Senior Assistant coach and is currently Director of Coaching at Richmond. Wallace was using him to essentially coordinate training while Wallace worked on other things, such as talking to the media. Sumich is a senior assistant coach at WC, Robert Shaw filled a similar role at Freo until recently. Longmire is effectively the game-day coach at Sydney. The senior assistant coach/director of coaching concept is whatever the club wants it to be. It generally identifies the 2IC, behind the coach. Mostly, it is the person who takes up the slack in the areas where the senior coach is less interested or less capable.
Look at the Richmond list once the deadwood is cleared out in a few weeks. What will be left is a group of kids, many of whom have been poorly developed over the last few years. The success of the next coach will depend on how quickly this area can be turned around. The better teams are showing time and time again that it is not the draft choices you get but what you do with the kids that you get. Who would have picked five years ago that John Anthony would become a decent Full forward while the more talented Cleve Hughes would go nowhere? I'd rather this model than the Wallace-Royal one where for a million+ each year, we had training and Tuesday's with Terry covered and that was about it.
Richardson would be a very good 2IC.
On the breaking contracts thing. People break contracts by mutual agreement all the time. Hardwick might go to Port Adelaide for a beefed-up Assistant's role. What's his contractual situation? It is unlikely to be an issue. Is he 2IC now? If not then this will be a promotion. Assistants move all the time to widen their experience, they go to job interviews all the time and they find themselves doing something else as a result of it.
TOT70 said:
As I said, job titles at footy clubs don't mean much. Royal as a Director of Coaching is laughable and was a embrassement. I take your point about positions being what clubs what them to be, but Director of Coaching was as I said, originally devised in concept by Collingwood as pure strategy/high performance not as a glorified PA. They then scrapped it as they were creating the role for Eade. Everything since then has been people mimicing or taking a nice shiny badge for their desk and thinking that title looked cool on it.
I was tempted to mention Royal in this role as I find it real amusing as he was only called that I believe (all of a sudden) after the Collingwood concept.
Senior Assistant sure, different thing. Collingwood made a point of saying the Director of Coaching would be equal to the Head Coach for the specific purpose it was touted for. Different concept entirely to "hysr a 2IC". A lot of clubs have copied it and mutated it to suit their purposes and payroll.
You'll get no argument from me development is crucial to our young side, I just don't think it has anything to do with a director of coaching role. He is just going to be a senior assistant or another assistant coach if he comes to Richmond and it will not happen IMHO.
Hawthorn conceded at the start of the year they would probably lose Hardwick (they were thinking to a senior role) as word has come up about Port in a assistant role there is specualtion Hawthorn won't stand for that unless it is a clear succession, which is a different thing again.
Robert Shaw goes back in the box with Laidley and Eade, Longmire, Hardwick (if he went to Port), Buckley next year etc are all mere proteges, succession beneficiaries.
You could be right mate of course, who knows, but I personally severely doubt any club would let a assistant leave a club for another assistant role, especially when it is not a succession plan.
TOT70 said:
Sure, think that is where you and I differ. I agree Richo would potentially be a good Senior Assistant/Assistant, he's proven that. Director of Coaching is different in true essence, sure it's what clubs made of it, but if we are not going to be wanky in the future like we have been with Royal, then the true essence of the role is a lot more strategic on game day/opposition analysis/game plans.
TOT70 said:
Not in small specialist industries they don't. Can you, or anyone for that matter, give me a example of a contracted assistant breaking his contract to go to another club when he wasn't going to be Head Coach in the modern era?
As you said, job titles can be made to be anything, it would be far to easy then to invent a position description (we all know what they are worth) and say, I'm moving up, contract broken. Clubs won't accept or fall for this and it doesn't show much professionalism or loyalty.
Being a elite developer of kids you don't go to a club and then move on after a year unless it is for the rarest of opportunites, ala Senior Coach of a club. Richardson will always be able to get a job as a developer of kids and assistant if he keeps his rep and strategic career path up. He may not ever get another serious senior coaching opportunity where he is a supposed front runner.
Richo went to Essendon to do a 2yr or 3 yr job and was highly sought and hunted by Knights. Breaking that contract for another assistants role at another club would be professional suicide IMO.
Dyer Disciple said:
What was Parkin's job title when Wayne Brittain was game day coach at Carlton?
I thought it was "Director of Coaching".
YinnarTiger said:
That worked out well. Should have done what nearly every other club looking at a new coach did after that, just hired Parkin on for a 4 week consultancy seat on a committee. ;D
Didn't work for Schwab either.
Has to be strategic/opposition analysis or bust...
Mentors, Personal Assistants and Wedding Planners need not apply.
Just jumped in the ute to go see the Colonel and heard Healy say something along the lines of Hinkley has the job, I think he just is asuming what all of us are
I dont care anymore about who our next coach is going to be.
I'm only on here to read Scooty's braincrushing posts
I'm only on here to read Scooty's braincrushing posts
