The Official "RFC Coaching Position" Discussion Thread

[Tigers of Old]

Rawlings knew what he was getting into when he put his hand up for the job. It's ordinary form for him to take it on and then make it fair game as a selling point to win over some supporters who are dying to hear that. You have to have substance behind a spray and be able to do something about it if you are going to go public, otherwise he is just airing dirty laundry for his own benefit.

He's right though. I am glad someone aired it even though he won't get the job.

 

[Tiger74]

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Your posting just keeps getting better - look out Ruddy!

He's only decent on a Monday, because he sits down with Tigerbob to draft up his ideas over the weekend.  Without his ghostwriter, the rest of the week becomes pretty average  ;D

On the issue though, Tigerbob - sorry DD - raises a good point.  I agree with the sentiments, but venue and timing are suspect.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

He's right though. I am glad someone aired it even though he won't get the job.

Bit of a Captain Obvious statement though and one that becomes negative when handled the way Jade handled it in public. There is a time and place to air things and there are appropriate people to do it. Gale has inferred us much already without going on about it strongly, we need positive/strategic action.

Not pandering to the masses which hurts us more than helps.

 

[lamb22]

He's right though. I am glad someone aired it even though he won't get the job.

How does it help richmond other than playing to the mob. Just headlines Richmind need " tiges give in again'

"Culture dooms Tiges"

I'm sure Mick would have mentioned to his boys that Tiges will give up and fold. Gives an automatic boost to the opposition. You could see the players weren't happy with it both in their demeanour (Cuz?) - and also in it spilling out into aggro.

Need a players man as coach. I dont think I ever heard Tommy say we give up! Tigerish tigers never give up!!!!

 

[dimmauchump]

How does it help richmond other than playing to the mob. Just headlines Richmind need " tiges give in again'

"Culture dooms Tiges"

I'm sure Mick would have mentioned to his boys that Tiges will give up and fold. Gives an automatic boost to the opposition. You could see the players weren't happy with it both in their demeanour (Cuz?) - and also in it spilling out into aggro.
Need a players man as coach. I dont think I ever heard Tommy say we give up! Tigerish tigers never give up!!!!

If you believe that the 93 point thumping was due to Jade ripping the players in public due to their losing culture then you are kidding yourself. The difference between the 2 sides was that far apart it has gone beyond a joke now. I suppose the effort against Melbourne was due to Rawlings ramblings??? Ahhh that's right, he hadn't even said it yet. We won 1 game against an injury depleted Essendon, and then when we were favourites against Melbourne(who were tanking) we crumbled just like we normally do once an ounce of expectation was placed on our players.

 

[SpaceAce]

I heard Caro yesterday on 3AW say that she believes Richmond will announce the new coach by the end of the week ??? What information does she base this on??
I am a bit jittery at the moment because North is expected to offer a job to Hardwick in the next couple of days. Whilst he is no messiah, I would hate to lose him.

 

[lamb22]

If you believe that the 93 point thumping was due to Jade ripping the players in public due to their losing culture then you are kidding yourself. The difference between the 2 sides was that far apart it has gone beyond a joke now. I suppose the effort against Melbourne was due to Rawlings ramblings??? Ahhh that's right, he hadn't even said it yet. We won 1 game against an injury depleted Essendon, and then when we were favourites against Melbourne(who were tanking) we crumbled just like we normally do once an ounce of expectation was placed on our players.

FUD - you misrepresent people too often. You make up your own "straw man argument' based on some interpretation or grievance you've got and then offer indignation at your own concocted argument. My argument is the last thing we need is to give ammunition to other sides or the media. The respective abilities of Richmond and collingwood is immaterial to that discussion. I too can confect indignation . Here are some smilies to prove it :crazy :frustration :duh

 

[Dyer Disciple]

He's only decent on a Monday, because he sits down with Tigerbob to draft up his ideas over the weekend. Without his ghostwriter, the rest of the week becomes pretty average ;D

On the issue though, Tigerbob - sorry DD - raises a good point. I agree with the sentiments, but venue and timing are suspect.

Ha Ha, if only you knew how much we debate. Though that said, most things we say to the other we agree on, that's why we do stick together as we have the same philosophies for the most part. We've changed the other's mind aplenty, but on this point I've always been vocal of being wary of Jade since day one.

Not sure why you're apologising to me mate, I don't know what you meant or what you were referring to.

 

[Tiger74]

I am a bit jittery at the moment because North is expected to offer a job to Hardwick in the next couple of days. Whilst he is no messiah, I would hate to lose him.

Personally I am not worried. If Hardwick was leagues ahead of Hinkley and Richardson, we would have moved. The fact is however the limited feedback is both Richardson and Hinkley presented well, and are very viable candidates.

Don't think of this so much as being a choice between a Crownie and a stubby of XXXX or Eagle Bitter. It may be more like a Crownie or Coopers Pale Ale, or Boags, and with any of these I will be happy :beer

 

[hopper]

Spoke to a mate in here in Darwin (yes Darwin so read into the credibility what you will) who is heavily involved with the interstate coteries and groups. He reckons he got a tip that Hinkley is our man.

C-c-c-c'mon K-k-k-k-k-ken!!!

 

[ToraToraTora]

I heard Caro yesterday on 3AW say that she believes Richmond will announce the new coach by the end of the week ??? What information does she base this on??
I am a bit jittery at the moment because North is expected to offer a job to Hardwick in the next couple of days. Whilst he is no messiah, I would hate to lose him.

All 3 are untried senior AFL coaches mate...don't fret.

 

[gustiger12]

Benny Gale was spot on, what Jade said in public was for behind closed doors only - why go public? smacks of Terry Wallace and it is no surprise that Rawlings would do exactly as Wallce would as he learnt everything he knows about coaching off Wallace.

I found it interestring that yesterday Jade revealed that he was reading books about changing mindsets!! seriously dont know why he is still in the coaching race and the more disturbing thing is that he was seriously considered at all. Whoever was pushing for Rawlings as coach should be excluded from having any decision making capacity at all at the Tigers ever again.

Exactly, I think this is what Benny was saying. We all know its true, but no point airing it in public. It just give the media and the opposition something else to feed on. Don't whinge about the problem in public, fix it in house.

Any one who thinks Benny is that Naive are kidding themselves.

 

[gustiger12]

Rawlings was dead right to bake the players for their poor culture, where he may have erred is taking it into the public domain at the presser.
He should have saved that one for the coaching interview.

Spot on Oldie :clap

 

[Tigers of Old]

Bit of a Captain Obvious statement though and one that becomes negative when handled the way Jade handled it in public. There is a time and place to air things and there are appropriate people to do it. Gale has inferred us much already without going on about it strongly, we need positive/strategic action.

Not pandering to the masses which hurts us more than helps.

Captain obvious? Maybe.
However nobody with any profile at the club has ever publicly admitted to this problem which is very real.
I just hope Benny G privately agrees even if publicly he's playing it down.

Self serving? Probably but still correct none the less.
I can see your point how it harms more than it helps in the public arena.
I did have to laugh about Cousins 250th being the reason for Jade's implosion considering he'd played like 12 games for the club. Hardly worthy of giving the club and players such as spray under those circumstances. You can connect the dots that he's angry because the Swans game harmed his aspirations.
Games like the Centenary game last season or even this weekend for a club stalwarts farewell would seem a more appropriate time to air such problems. You're right too though someone with more weight than a caretaker coach in the middle of an application process is probably the one to do it.

Anyways I'd connect much of the 'culture' problems that Jade is mentioning in direct correlation with the Wallet tenure.
The all about me philosophy where I is more important than Team. Terry never placed a heavy emphasis on team based football and was always in the gig for himself. Never accepting responsibility for his own flaws and padding his nest(Tuesdays with Terry) etc.

Really Rawlings is realistically probably even lucky to have landed a coaching gig at all Richmond, given his Richo connection so it's a bit rich to come out and have a blast at the club's culture when he's been a part of it during Wallet's time at the club and his jobs for the boys approach.

No doubt Jade is done and dusted but I hope the club still takes on board his criticisms in some capacity.

 

[IanG]

No doubt Jade is done and dusted but I hope the club still takes on board his criticisms in some capacity.

IMHO Gale has already alluded to such problems.

 

[Smoking Aces]

It's down to 2 - Hardwick or Hinkley.

Richardson has admirers but not sure about his profile. The last 2 weeks have cost Jade.

Hardwick wants to coach Richmond, so don't worry about Roos pinching him, he wants the Tigers job ahead of the Roos.

My personal preference is for Hinkley

Its down to 2 even though Hinkley hasnt been interviewed? Or is it a case of Hardwick being ahead of both Richardson and Rawlings at this stage with Hinkley being the unknown due to his second interview yet to be conducted?

 

[lamb22]

I notice the 'culture' admission by Rawlings has allowed Maxwell to call Richmiond gutless and Rohan connolly to have a similar crack at us in the papers.

Pretty dumb by Jade i'd say,

Gotta laugh at the masochists on this board who are enjoying the pain and public flaggelation. Must be a few same sex public school boarding conservative politicians amongst our brethren.

 

[French Tiger]

I notice the 'culture' admission by Rawlings has allowed Maxwell to call Richmiond gutless and Rohan connolly to have a similar crack at us in the papers.

Pretty dumb by Jade i'd say,

Gotta laugh at the masochists on this board who are enjoying the pain and public flaggelation. Must be a few same sex public school boarding conservative politicians amongst our brethren.

Have to agree,fix the problem internally.We dont need to give the media any more ammunition then what they already have

 

[Tigerbob]

Its down to 2 even though Hinkley hasnt been interviewed?

Doesn't sound right to me either mate.

 

[The Boss]

Its down to 2 even though Hinkley hasnt been interviewed? Or is it a case of Hardwick being ahead of both Richardson and Rawlings at this stage with Hinkley being the unknown due to his second interview yet to be conducted?

Trust me, it's out of Hinkley or Hardwick.