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The Brownlow (Merged)
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Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
This year's MVPs I'd probably go Judd, Goodes, Pendlebury, Ablett, Cox, Mitchell.
SCOOP said:
This year's MVPs I'd probably go Judd, Goodes, Pendlebury, Ablett, Cox, Mitchell.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
I think Judd is extremely overrated. Not saying he is not a gun player, but he is way overrated. Might get some weird looks saying it, but I watch and watch and watch and the simple things he does gets lauded when a another player would do some of the stuff he does and not rate a mention.
I would have Pendlebury in front of him this year. By about the margin Judd beat him by tonight. I'm with Barnzy. I also don't think a majority of players take the voting seriously in this award. They just remember oh yeah he was good, listen to the media and tick a box.
Pendles is cleaner, better foot skills, is more dangerous going forward and without looking at the stats wins just as much critical ball.
I scratch my head at the Judd love sometimes. Great player, no doubt, but have seen better and better are around.
The media influence a lot of peoples thoughts. Society today is weak minded and allows others to think for them. With so much football on tv, people follow thoughts of "experts" more than ever.
I think Judd is extremely overrated. Not saying he is not a gun player, but he is way overrated. Might get some weird looks saying it, but I watch and watch and watch and the simple things he does gets lauded when a another player would do some of the stuff he does and not rate a mention.
I would have Pendlebury in front of him this year. By about the margin Judd beat him by tonight. I'm with Barnzy. I also don't think a majority of players take the voting seriously in this award. They just remember oh yeah he was good, listen to the media and tick a box.
Pendles is cleaner, better foot skills, is more dangerous going forward and without looking at the stats wins just as much critical ball.
I scratch my head at the Judd love sometimes. Great player, no doubt, but have seen better and better are around.
The media influence a lot of peoples thoughts. Society today is weak minded and allows others to think for them. With so much football on tv, people follow thoughts of "experts" more than ever.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
agree Barnny - so out of kilter it smacks more of peer idolisation than calm judgement. External influences shouldn't be discounted either.
Barnzy said:
agree Barnny - so out of kilter it smacks more of peer idolisation than calm judgement. External influences shouldn't be discounted either.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
Pendles can't carry a team over the line like Judd can or has.
Can't really agree with that Bobby other than your point on the media perception on players - which we all agree Deledio suffers from negatively (with others pointing out that Rioli is the opposite).Tigerbob said:
Pendles can't carry a team over the line like Judd can or has.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
I think you're underestimating how much the players value the MVP award bobby. They all say this is the one that means the most because it's voted on by their colleagues.
This is their award. It's the only one they get to vote on. You're just saying that they don't take it seriously because you don't agree with it.
Except you're contradicting yourself if you now believe the players don't take it seriously given you believe it's a more accurate reflection than the Brownlow.
Tigerbob said:
I think you're underestimating how much the players value the MVP award bobby. They all say this is the one that means the most because it's voted on by their colleagues.
This is their award. It's the only one they get to vote on. You're just saying that they don't take it seriously because you don't agree with it.
Barnzy said:
Except you're contradicting yourself if you now believe the players don't take it seriously given you believe it's a more accurate reflection than the Brownlow.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
How so? A few of the results I think have been more correct ie Ablett over Cooney, Swan over Judd last year but that doesn't mean I think it's spot on every year, just it's been a better indication some years than the Brownlow. This year I can't agree with Judd so far in front of Pendles or Ablett. It's not black and white.
Tigers of Old said:
How so? A few of the results I think have been more correct ie Ablett over Cooney, Swan over Judd last year but that doesn't mean I think it's spot on every year, just it's been a better indication some years than the Brownlow. This year I can't agree with Judd so far in front of Pendles or Ablett. It's not black and white.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
No it's not, at the end of the day they'rre just differing opinions. Personally I think Judd's one of the best players I have ever seen (and I watch a lot of football too, don't just rely on media pundits
).
Barnzy said:
No it's not, at the end of the day they'rre just differing opinions. Personally I think Judd's one of the best players I have ever seen (and I watch a lot of football too, don't just rely on media pundits
).
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
Not really, but thank you again for going into my head space and posting my thoughts.
I am saying it cause it is true. Not every player, I will give you that, but a majority wouldn't give too *smile* about the award.
They are given the form after a training session, given a pen and told to tick the boxes and vote in the categories.
Meeting and knowing a lot of players, you overstate their views on the award. Also when a microphone is in front of their face, what do you want them to say? Of course they are gonna pay lip service to the award.
It is such a prestigious that I bet a majority of footballers wouldn't even watch the coverage. Bet they watch the Brownlow.
Tigers of Old said:
Not really, but thank you again for going into my head space and posting my thoughts.
I am saying it cause it is true. Not every player, I will give you that, but a majority wouldn't give too *smile* about the award.
They are given the form after a training session, given a pen and told to tick the boxes and vote in the categories.
Meeting and knowing a lot of players, you overstate their views on the award. Also when a microphone is in front of their face, what do you want them to say? Of course they are gonna pay lip service to the award.
It is such a prestigious that I bet a majority of footballers wouldn't even watch the coverage. Bet they watch the Brownlow.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
I'm interested in knowing how many you've discussed the value of the MVP award with.Tigerbob said:
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
Excuse me for not naming names, but 5.
Those who know me on the forum would know who they would be, and just for you to know, one is from Richmond.
Not a huge scope, but it equates to three different clubs and I believe it would be the majority voice of the players from what I have heard. I genuinely think they don't care about the award as much as you think they do. They don't study the stats, they don't go over old games, they just have an opinion based on a range of factors. Media perception being a major factor.
In fact they probably watch less other football games than the average person. I would watch ten times the amount of football than these guys, who I have to tell of some news as they simply burn out by watching too much football and wouldn't know. How can they then give a clear opinion? Of the 1300 odd votes how many of those players actually played against him? How will we ever know?
Just an opinion. I still think the history of the Brownlow is more special for the players (not to me). This is a secondary award to the majority of them. Again, just my opinion.
Getting back onto my thoughts though, what makes Judd better than Pendlebury? I'd like someone (particularly in the media) to answer that. Not what he has won, or the fact he is captain, but what is he better at Pendlebury that makes him a better player cause I don't see it, and as I said, I have Pendlebury in front in a number of key areas.
Tigers of Old said:
Excuse me for not naming names, but 5.
Those who know me on the forum would know who they would be, and just for you to know, one is from Richmond.
Not a huge scope, but it equates to three different clubs and I believe it would be the majority voice of the players from what I have heard. I genuinely think they don't care about the award as much as you think they do. They don't study the stats, they don't go over old games, they just have an opinion based on a range of factors. Media perception being a major factor.
In fact they probably watch less other football games than the average person. I would watch ten times the amount of football than these guys, who I have to tell of some news as they simply burn out by watching too much football and wouldn't know. How can they then give a clear opinion? Of the 1300 odd votes how many of those players actually played against him? How will we ever know?
Just an opinion. I still think the history of the Brownlow is more special for the players (not to me). This is a secondary award to the majority of them. Again, just my opinion.
Getting back onto my thoughts though, what makes Judd better than Pendlebury? I'd like someone (particularly in the media) to answer that. Not what he has won, or the fact he is captain, but what is he better at Pendlebury that makes him a better player cause I don't see it, and as I said, I have Pendlebury in front in a number of key areas.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
Thanks bob, didn't ask for names or clubs. 5 is more than I would have thought on the subject but I'll take your word for it.
I've only got the presentation interviews of the award's winner's to go by & perhaps there's a certain amount of lip service but they usually seem genuinely humbled to be voted the best by their peers. I'd imagine it means a lot to the winners, even if not as much to some of those voting.
Luke Power spoke well tonight about what the award means. Honestly I'd be surprised if most AFL players didn't give a sh!t about it but even if you're right that a number don't care for the award, that was a massive discrepancy tonight. What's obvious is Juddy is clearly rated very highly by his peers.
As awards go, I quite like the MVP personally. Never been a fan of the Umpires award so much. After the MVP, the coaches award is the one that I rate highly because it goes beyond stats and media influence.
It's just opinions though at the end of the day. People see what they see. I think Judd's brilliant, you not so much. Shades of grey.
Tigerbob said:
Thanks bob, didn't ask for names or clubs. 5 is more than I would have thought on the subject but I'll take your word for it.
I've only got the presentation interviews of the award's winner's to go by & perhaps there's a certain amount of lip service but they usually seem genuinely humbled to be voted the best by their peers. I'd imagine it means a lot to the winners, even if not as much to some of those voting.
Luke Power spoke well tonight about what the award means. Honestly I'd be surprised if most AFL players didn't give a sh!t about it but even if you're right that a number don't care for the award, that was a massive discrepancy tonight. What's obvious is Juddy is clearly rated very highly by his peers.
As awards go, I quite like the MVP personally. Never been a fan of the Umpires award so much. After the MVP, the coaches award is the one that I rate highly because it goes beyond stats and media influence.
It's just opinions though at the end of the day. People see what they see. I think Judd's brilliant, you not so much. Shades of grey.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
Tuesday September 27.. The website only has until round 20..
83 Marc Murphy (Carl)
80 Chris Judd (Carl)
79 Sam Mitchell (Haw)
70 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
66 Gary Ablett (GC)
66 Matthew Boyd (WB)
63 Daniel Wells (NM)
60 Dean Cox (WC)
59 Joel Selwood (Geel)
58 Ryan O’Keefe (Syd)
Again quite a different perspective.
jb03 said:
Tuesday September 27.. The website only has until round 20..
83 Marc Murphy (Carl)
80 Chris Judd (Carl)
79 Sam Mitchell (Haw)
70 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
66 Gary Ablett (GC)
66 Matthew Boyd (WB)
63 Daniel Wells (NM)
60 Dean Cox (WC)
59 Joel Selwood (Geel)
58 Ryan O’Keefe (Syd)
Again quite a different perspective.
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
I will have to pay more attention. ;D
Looks like i am agreeing with you, although I did say at least 18
GoodOne said:
I will have to pay more attention. ;D Looks like i am agreeing with you, although I did say at least 18
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
You're on fire in this thread Goody.
Agree with TOO, Judd is a freak, Murphy has had a great year but yet to reach Judd's standard
GoodOne said:
You're on fire in this thread Goody.
Agree with TOO, Judd is a freak, Murphy has had a great year but yet to reach Judd's standard
Re: Who will win the Brownlow?
barnzy, been pretty amusing reading your flip flopping on this thread.
I think I can sum up your stance - the MVP is an accurate guide in the years you agree with it
Barnzy said:
barnzy, been pretty amusing reading your flip flopping on this thread.
I think I can sum up your stance - the MVP is an accurate guide in the years you agree with it
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