Tambling (merged)

[Spanish Prisoner]

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I can't get angry with the kid anymore. It simply is not his fault that the football world thought he was going to be a one man incarnation of the Krackeur brothers. But he just aint any good...

 

[lamb22]

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I can't get angry with the kid anymore. It simply is not his fault that the football world thought he was going to be a one man incarnation of the Krackeur brothers. But he just aint any good...

A change in tone SP. You're not actually worried about this week's game are you? :hihi

 

[Leysy Days]

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Why?

His entire career has been a steady improvement year to year. That culminated last year in a string of very good games. This year his output is way below that. Why would you automatically assume that his form last year was simply a fluke and not something else?

That string of games out of 100 doesnt automatically mean that is what a player is capable of consistently delivering ILO. Need to see far more than that.

Not comparing the actual talent of players, but guys like Allan McKeller, Justin Charles, Mark Merenda, David Calthorpe, Tony Brown, Ryan Lonie etc all had excellent runs of games. Some going into seasons. Does that mean they were capable of re-producing that consistently. No. Leysy could list so many more as well. but really dont have the time.

Thats not to say Richie should be delisted, leysy believes he is capable of a bit more that what he is which will make him an OK role player. But for people to have expectations that a run of what 10 games that are above his others should be what he can consistently produce is typically not realistic. Thats where the frustration of those people has come in this year.

Saying that, as leysy said he should be better than what he is showing. But he comes across as a player that unless his head & body are at 100% he does falls away somewhat.

I also disagree entirely with the first point you make. Vision and awareness are inate attributes, as you've told me before. Either you have them or you don't. If you don't, as is being suggested here, how can you ever display them, let alone display them for a number of games on end?

Of course you can have games where you show some different things. Does that mean those things come consistently & naturally. No. Kayne Pettifer took a couple of big marks, does that mean he is a good contested mark. Richo had days where he kicked straight. Did that make him a good kick for goal. Sure richie is going to sometimes show vision to dart some handballs out in tight that creates a quality attacking move for his teammate, does he hsow it consistently enough to give him the requisite awareness & vision when in close. Leysy would say no.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

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Maybe Richie is going down the path of many outstanding junior talents in all sports that do not go on and perform at a similarly high level in
the senior grade. Some do not make the transition. How many world junior champions has Aust had that are unable to continue improving at the rate of their competition? Maybe Richie was as comparitively good as he was going to get at 17?

I don't think he has had a bad run with injuries nor been given a chance to prove himself in different positions. He doesn't appear to have cemented a permanent position. Even his biggest fans would agree he is not a typical mid, and whilst he seems the right build for a small forward ala a Chris Yarran he has not performed consistently in that role. Most argue he should be played off a HBF but is he a better option than Newman, Collins, Moore and now Deledio?

As a final opportunity I think he should be played as a BP like a Johncock/Wirrpanda/Harbrow. I'm not sure if he has the defensive capabilities but I think he could provide the run like the other BP's do. To me as we do not have too many options at BP he should be given the role.

Finally I would be disappointed in the club if they were playing him with any significant injury, there is really nothing to gain other than open him up for more criticism. If he is not injured then he is definitely underperforming.

 

[Leysy Days]

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As a final opportunity I think he should be played as a BP like a Johncock/Wirrpanda/Harbrow. I'm not sure if he has the defensive capabilities but I think he could provide the run like the other BP's do. To me as we do not have too many options at BP he should be given the role.

As you know leysy totally agree's with that. No time for snoozing nor not going hard enough back there & it suits his attributes. i,e overhead marking & run.

 

[Disco08]

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Of course you can have games where you show some different things. Does that mean those things come consistently & naturally. No. Kayne Pettifer took a couple of big marks, does that mean he is a good contested mark. Richo had days where he kicked straight. Did that make him a good kick for goal. Sure richie is going to sometimes show vision to dart some handballs out in tight that creates a quality attacking move for his teammate, does he hsow it consistently enough to give him the requisite awareness & vision when in close. Leysy would say no.

Marking and kicking are physical skills. Vision and awareness are not. As I said, I keep hearing that these things are intrinsic and can rarely even be learned so it makes little sense to me that someone who doesn't inherently have them can occasionally demonstrate them. If anything I would say a player who seems to have them must have them but other factors (confidence mainly) can inhibit them from showing them consistently.

That string of games out of 100 doesnt automatically mean that is what a player is capable of consistently delivering ILO. Need to see far more than that.

Not comparing the actual talent of players, but guys like Allan McKeller, Justin Charles, Mark Merenda, David Calthorpe, Tony Brown, Ryan Lonie etc all had excellent runs of games. Some going into seasons. Does that mean they were capable of re-producing that consistently. No. Leysy could list so many more as well. but really dont have the time.

Thats not to say Richie should be delisted, leysy believes he is capable of a bit more that what he is which will make him an OK role player. But for people to have expectations that a run of what 10 games that are above his others should be what he can consistently produce is typically not realistic. Thats where the frustration of those people has come in this year.

The thing is the 10 or 15 improved games came at the end of what had been steady (if somewhat slow) improvement over five years. I think it was fair enough to hope that this was now the level we could reasonably expect from him.

Saying that, as leysy said he should be better than what he is showing. But he comes across as a player that unless his head & body are at 100% he does falls away somewhat.

Agree with that. Hopefully that is something that can be improved upon because he'll never fulfil his potential if it can't.

 

[GoodOne]

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also disagree entirely with the first point you make. Vision and awareness are inate attributes, as you've told me before. Either you have them or you don't. If you don't, as is being suggested here, how can you ever display them, let alone display them for a number of games on end?

He doesn't have great vision and awareness. Just watch him. Most of the time he is very narrow in his range of view when he has the ball. If you're in front of him you'll inevitably get the ball from him. In close he has zero awareness. Is there a stat for how many times you get tackled in a game? This is why I think half back is his position. Everything is in front of you and an easier position for one with limted vision and awareness.

 

[Spanish Prisoner]

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He doesn't have great vision and awareness. Just watch him. Most of the time he is very narrow in his range of view when he has the ball. If you're in front of him you'll inevitably get the ball from him. In close he has zero awareness. Is there a stat for how many times you get tackled in a game?

Again, without bagging the kid, this has always been my concern. He seems to:
a) run very fast into trouble; and
b) handball the ball to a guys standing one metre away that is about to get crunched.

These moments have out weighed acts of footballing brilliance by a factor of at least 500 to 1.

 

[Disco08]

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Just watch him.

I'll have to give that a try.

Having watched him quite closely last year I thought he was very good in these regards, especially when Rawlings played him in the roaming half forward role.

 

[lamb22]

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cometh the hour..........................................

 

[GoodOne]

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I'll have to give that a try.

Having watched him quite closely last year I thought he was very good in these regards, especially when Rawlings played him in the roaming half forward role.

:hihi In the end its just our opinions but I can't see it personally. Best games I have seen him play are out in the open hitting targets in front of him. He does generally have good disposal skills. The thing is if you are going to play someone on the half forward line they have to also kick their fair share of goals. Tambling hasn't been endowed with goal kicking skills of recent times. Half back flank or nothing for me. Think we should persist with him in that position, especially now that we've found that Edwards can actually play up the ground ;D

 

[Disco08]

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Best games I have seen him play are out in the open hitting targets in front of him.

The PRE consensus had him BOG in 4 games last year - Sydney, West Coast, Adelaide and North. He was second in 2 games, Freo and Sydney again. He was also third twice in games against St Kilda and Carlton. In all but two of those games he played the roaming half forward/on ball role. Against Sydney the first time Wallet played him as a lead up half forward and against Freo he played a great game off the back flank.

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

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Why is Tambling kept in the ones (under successive coaches)?

No one here knows?

If he is as bad as many of these posts make out, why is he still in the ones?

Are the coaching staff missing something that astute PRE observers are picking up on?

 

[GoodOne]

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The PRE consensus had him BOG in 4 games last year - Sydney, West Coast, Adelaide and North. He was second in 2 games, Freo and Sydney again. He was also third twice in games against St Kilda and Carlton. In all but two of those games he played the roaming half forward/on ball role. Against Sydney the first time Wallet played him as a lead up half forward and against Freo he played a great game off the back flank.

We've had this argument before. I dont agree in a number of those games that his primary role was HFF at all. Bottom line as I said, regardless of voting, is to be successful as a HFF you need to also kick goals. He is not a damaging half forward flanker in my opinion. There's no arguing he had a good run of games last year, but I would argue that his best games were running out of defense.

 

[Barnzy]

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If only we could come in here and say, what a great game on the weekend by Tambling! Instead we have people still making excuses for him after 100+ games. Not a fan of SP but he was spot on when he said this the other week.

 

[GoodOne]

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No one here knows?

If he is as bad as many of these posts make out, why is he still in the ones?

Are the coaching staff missing something that astute PRE observers are picking up on?

Could say the same about a number of players. Simply we don't have the depth to cover our weaknesses. This is why guys like Tambling do and have been gifted games when arguably they shouldn't have. But this applies to the team as a whole, not just Tambling. It's something 3 or 4 years down the track I'd hope we have improved on immensely, our depth.

 

[Baloo]

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We've had this argument before. I dont agree in a number of those games that his primary role was HFF at all.

GoodOne is Liverpool and I claim my $10

 

[bigwow]

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I'm starting to think we may have 'Luke Balled' Tambling a little bit.

Played him before he was ready physically, leading to fitness and hamstring problems in his first year.
The shift from the NT to Melbourne can't have been easy, and with the expectation coming from being no. 4 pick, and touted pre draft as possibly no. 1 or 2, Richmond played him too soon. Even Buddy and Roughhead didn't play a lot in their first year.
He's never had the chance to grow into AFL footy, without the weight of expectation, probably unrealistic as it turns out.

 

[tbartiger]

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Maybe he just isn't a good footballer?

 

[GoodOne]

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GoodOne is Liverpool and I claim my $10

Red card for you!