Tambling (merged)

[Leysy Days]

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Tambling is a limited player that needs everything going for him to have some effect on the game. He doesn't possess great awareness, vision smarts, evasiveness and skills. He's a run of the mill player who doesn't posess any great strengths. Even his speed is overrated. If he's not 110% fit or his head isn't in the right space or if his teamates aren't performing around him he will struggle. We need to accept that he's a C grader, B grader at best and can only be a a support role player and not a prime mover. Need to get him out of the midfield and play him off half back for starters, and move Lids in the middle.

The first 5 words are exactly right Harry. Yes he does some soft things but its lack of ability in crucial area's that make a footballer that makes things hard for Richie. You outlined them with his awareness & vision. They are extremely hard things to improve.

Moving him back on the small forwards will at least mean he must concentrate the whole match because any sleeping or not going hard enough are shown up far more back there. Dont know how long leysy has said that for now.

 

[Disco08]

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You keep saying that as though it's gospel Leysy. Have you managed to watch any of the games Tambling played well in last year while you were away? Plenty of vision and awareness on display amongst that lot if you ask me. I'd chuck up some stats but they're obviously only allowed when you're trying to demonstrate how bad he is.

Reading Harry's post (ordinary awareness, vision, smarts, speed, skills and evasiveness) you'd have to wonder how he ever got drafted and what all those journos (and plenty of supporters) were smoking when they were saying he was starting to live up to his potential much of last year.

Jeez this is really turning into the Krakouer thread.

I just hope Tambling can back to the form he had in the middle of last year - IMO he was our best player for the 10-12 game stretch.

In saying that - thats where I also am dissapointed in him now - Last years stretch of form needs to be the norm for him.

Spot on IMO Bono. All the angst over his form is warranted because his performances last year set new levels of expectation. All those saying he's never been nothing but mediocre (6 good but not great games in 101, LMAO) are obviously missing this.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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Thought he presented reasonably well as a lead-up HF. It's troubling that he rarely looms as a scoring threat in that role, and has lost the confidence to take players on, which you'd hope he'd be doing regularly by now. Didn't think he was anywhere near our worst though.

 

[bringbakflemmo]

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He was disappointing against the Crowies but was coming back from a hammy so may not have had his full confidenceup.
He is a wingman/half forward only as he has speed and disposal skills and needs to compete against non physical players to show his best .
He needs space to do this which is what wing and half forward give him..

 

[Tigers of Old]

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All the angst over his form is warranted because his performances last year set new levels of expectation.

I think you summed it up best, that folks were hoping he'd build on last season.
That he so far hasn't and has apparently gone backwards, sees the knives out.

He'll be playing for his future in the back half of the year IMO.

 

[Disco08]

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Maybe Tooheys. Depends if there's an underlying reason for his poor start or not. Logic would suggest there has to be reason so I guess it just comes down to whether it's something acceptable like injury and not lack of desire or commitment. Being a contract year it wouldn't want to be the latter or he could just be shown the door, trade or not.

 

[CK]

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Kenny Rogers 'The Gambler' comes to mind with Bling at the moment.

IMO I think we should trade him while he has some sort of currency.

 

[Disco08]

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His currency would never have been lower.

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

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IMO I think we should trade him while he has some sort of currency.

We'll get something for him if we trade him no worries about that, he may not have the currency of a 67 fastback and we will never get back what we spent on him. Had a few tonight, hope that makes sense.

 

[Leysy Days]

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You keep saying that as though it's gospel Leysy. Have you managed to watch any of the games Tambling played well in last year while you were away? Plenty of vision and awareness on display amongst that lot if you ask me. I'd chuck up some stats but they're obviously only allowed when you're trying to demonstrate how bad he is.

Yes leysy has seen some of those games. No question he had a run of good games including some very good one's. But displaying playing qualities for a small batch of games doesn't mean you have them in you. Far from it.

Leysy could list a stack of players that have shown plenty over a smallish period of a year or two years that was above the rest of their career.
At the moment you would have to suggest that is the case with Richie.

Reading Harry's post (ordinary awareness, vision, smarts, speed, skills and evasiveness) you'd have to wonder how he ever got drafted and what all those journos (and plenty of supporters) were smoking when they were saying he was starting to live up to his potential much of last year.

Whilst leysy has no problem with Tambling's skills or evasiveness which are both OK, you cant go off what players show as under 18 footballers when they step up to AFL level against men. At least not after the first year or two.

 

[CK]

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Had a few tonight, hope that makes sense.

Drowning your sorrows GPB?

 

[Bill James]

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Kenny Rogers 'The Gambler' comes to mind with Bling at the moment.

IMO I think we should trade him while he has some sort of currency.

"you gotta know when to run"

Richie reacts to what he sees, he he doesn't run proactively in advance of the game defensively or offensively.

 

[GoodOne]

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"you gotta know when to run"

Richie reacts to what he sees, he he doesn't run proactively in advance of the game defensively or offensively.

Think you have hot the nail on the head. I don't think Tambling is a good reader of where the ball is going to go. Seems to often be very reactive.

 

[IrockZ]

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Just one more thing Rocky. There are excuses and there are reasons. Recovery from injury and interrupted pre-seasons are legitimate reasons why a player may be slow out of the blocks at the beginning of a season. I hope this is the case and Tambling may be on the improve.

If this was the first time he had a form slump I could probably see your point. But its happened every year since Tambling started which says to me he just isnt going to be at the level we need.

Look at Garlett tonight. 2nd year player who weighs 70kg at the most and dominated against the best team in the comp. Cant remember Tambling ever doing that except for that Eagles game which was ages ago.

 

[Lidsand]

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If this was the first time he had a form slump I could probably see your point. But its happened every year since Tambling started which says to me he just isnt going to be at the level we need.

Look at Garlett tonight. 2nd year player who weighs 70kg at the most and dominated against the best team in the comp. Cant remember Tambling ever doing that except for that Eagles game which was ages ago.

when was the last time we won a game by 12 goals?

 

[zippadeee]

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after watching yarram, gartlett and betts tonite, he should hang his head in shame, he was shocking last nite. I think that was the worse ive seen him play, even after alot of *smile* games..
and now im at stage where he can go back to coburg and then get delisted at the end of the year!! cant handle watching him any more, when your got guys out there busting a gut and this guy is jogging on the spot.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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Leysy could list a stack of players that have shown plenty over a smallish period of a year or two years that was above the rest of their career.

Recurring theme at Richmond - player has a promising season and doesn't progress to the next level, or even goes backwards.

 

[Disco08]

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Yes leysy has seen some of those games. No question he had a run of good games including some very good one's. But displaying playing qualities for a small batch of games doesn't mean you have them in you. Far from it.

Leysy could list a stack of players that have shown plenty over a smallish period of a year or two years that was above the rest of their career.
At the moment you would have to suggest that is the case with Richie.

Why?

His entire career has been a steady improvement year to year. That culminated last year in a string of very good games. This year his output is way below that. Why would you automatically assume that his form last year was simply a fluke and not something else?

I also disagree entirely with the first point you make. Vision and awareness are inate attributes, as you've told me before. Either you have them or you don't. If you don't, as is being suggested here, how can you ever display them, let alone display them for a number of games on end?

Whilst leysy has no problem with Tambling's skills or evasiveness which are both OK, you cant go off what players show as under 18 footballers when they step up to AFL level against men. At least not after the first year or two.

I didn't say a word about his under 18 form.

 

[Smoking Aces]

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Kenny Rogers 'The Gambler' comes to mind with Bling at the moment.

IMO I think we should trade him while he has some sort of currency.

Agree. We cant keep on holding onto players 'in hope' that they will turn out to be the player we thought he would be when first drafted.

Unfortunatley we paid for a Mercedes and got a Commodore.

 

[shamekha]

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You guys should all ease up.. Watched the game again last night and he wasnt that bad he presented well out of defence and looked to be doing a run with role.. he marked ok, tackled - sometimes people want every single team member to be a Barry Cable or a Royce Hart, fair dinkum get a reality check some of you.

This year all the older players are learning something new that hasn't been at Richmond for years. A Game Plan and new roleswith an emphasis on defense. Give'm all the season to come to terms and then make judgement. (except McMahon :hihi)

And as for people saying he's in a massive form slump. Open your eyes he's playing a different role. Delideo is playing the role he played last year as the rebounding defender.