Tambling (merged)

[Big Cat Lover]

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Trade him only for a need that we lack in.Don,t try and trade for picks as we,ll get little value.
We need a Ruckman foremost.
Essendon-Need a runner.Tambling for Bellchambers.
Stkilda-Went after Lovett for a reason.Tambling for McEvoy.Doubt they would agree but then again they have Patto ;D
Carlton-Go for either Hampson or Jacobs.
Sydney-For Currie plus a draft pick

Agree - McEvoy, Hampson or Jacobs would be a good result

 

[tha8ball]

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Have to agree....lost patience with this guy. One GOOD game every month or so just doesnt cut it. Not when your club has invested so much in you. His second efforts are seriously not even VFL standard. I watched VAFA amatuers on Saturday and witnessed guys ten times more desperate than this bloke. Cut your losses.

Unfortunately a trade would be the best result for both club and player.

 

[Jason King]

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Are we too harsh expecting this guy to be a solid afl player? Dont think he will ever be a star, but surely he can be solid.

 

[wayne]

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Are we too harsh expecting this guy to be a solid afl player? Dont think he will ever be a star, but surely he can be solid.

He should have started solidifying by now Kingy, at the moment he's still like a bowl of half set jelly.

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

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Are we too harsh expecting this guy to be a solid afl player?

Certainly not....with his ability, and given 6 years in the system, expecting him to be solid is a minimum IMO. We are not getting anywhere near that, and haven't for the majority of his career.

 

[GoodOne]

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Are we too harsh expecting this guy to be a solid afl player? Dont think he will ever be a star, but surely he can be solid.

No, I think we should aim for fringe players. Seems to have been our past philosophy.

 

[Djevv]

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Must have been watching another game to everyone else - thought he WAS solid. 16 touches, 9marks and 4 tackles at 88%.

Compare that to Cotchin and Martin who got 18 and 19 respectively but had DEs in the 50s . Then you have Newman who got only 14! Fair suck of the saveloy fellas!

 

[Tigers of Old]

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Must have been watching another game to everyone else - thought he WAS solid. 16 touches, 9marks and 4 tackles at 88%.

Compare that to Cotchin and Martin who got 18 and 19 respectively but had DEs in the 50s . Then you have Newman who got only 14! Fair suck of the saveloy fellas!

Yep Martin's and Cotchin disposal the other night was poor but this is the Tambling thread and those lads have already shown abilities that Richie has not in 100 games.

Sure it can be argued Djevv that Tambling cops more focus than many and I agree with that to an extent.
However Bling's now a senior player and on the back of his improved 2009 expectations have risen. Right now for whatever reasons he's not meeting those expectations.
Don't think he deserves some of the OTT abuse he receives but there's no escaping the fact he's playing quite poorly atm.

 

[GoodOne]

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Must have been watching another game to everyone else - thought he WAS solid. 16 touches, 9marks and 4 tackles at 88%.

Compare that to Cotchin and Martin who got 18 and 19 respectively but had DEs in the 50s . Then you have Newman who got only 14! Fair suck of the saveloy fellas!

Seriously, you cant have been watching too closely. If you're going to use stats then let's use them properly. Tambling had 2 contested possessions and ZERO first possession and ZERO clearances. Cotchin had 11 contested possessions, 6 clearances, 5 first-ball gets. Cotchin had 11 contested possessions, 6 first ball gets and 3 clearances. Tambling actually had 2 effective tackles compared to 5 of both Cotchin and Martin.

If we're going to judge a performance on how often they stand outside and get cheap possessions, or how often they don't chase ro shepherd or harrass, then yes Tambing is up there. If we want that sort of game then we may as well get rid of Tambling and bring back Bowden because at least Bowden is going to also toouch it 30+ times.

Now, once again, if Tambling is unfit or suffering an injury then bring him up through Coburg until he is ready. He is out there week after week performing sub-level and therefore he is open to criticism, as he should be.

 

[Djevv]

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Seriously, you cant have been watching too closely. If you're going to use stats then let's use them properly. Tambling had 2 contested possessions and ZERO first possession and ZERO clearances. Cotchin had 11 contested possessions, 6 clearances, 5 first-ball gets. Cotchin had 11 contested possessions, 6 first ball gets and 3 clearances. Tambling actually had 2 effective tackles compared to 5 of both Cotchin and Martin.

Different roles might account for some of this I think. I think it is better for the side if Tambling is in an outside runner's role.

If we're going to judge a performance on how often they stand outside and get cheap possessions, or how often they don't chase ro shepherd or harrass, then yes Tambing is up there. If we want that sort of game then we may as well get rid of Tambling and bring back Bowden because at least Bowden is going to also toouch it 30+ times.

Tambling doesn't 'wax'. A lot of his possessions were to our advantage IMO.

Now, once again, if Tambling is unfit or suffering an injury then bring him up through Coburg until he is ready. He is out there week after week performing sub-level and therefore he is open to criticism, as he should be.

What about the others? Are they open to it too?

 

[Harry]

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Tambling is a limited player that needs everything going for him to have some effect on the game. He doesn't possess great awareness, vision smarts, evasiveness and skills. He's a run of the mill player who doesn't posess any great strengths. Even his speed is overrated. If he's not 110% fit or his head isn't in the right space or if his teamates aren't performing around him he will struggle. We need to accept that he's a C grader, B grader at best and can only be a a support role player and not a prime mover. Need to get him out of the midfield and play him off half back for starters, and move Lids in the middle.

 

[Disco08]

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Reckon the situation is pretty simple. He's well down on the level he seemed to establish last year. If he can't back to that soon (let alone beyond it as most of us would have been hoping for) his career will be hanging by a thread.

 

[GoodOne]

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Different roles might account for some of this I think. I think it is better for the side if Tambling is in an outside runner's role.

Tambling doesn't 'wax'. A lot of his possessions were to our advantage IMO.

What about the others? Are they open to it too?

Mate you brought up the comparison between Tambling and Cotchin/Martin using statistics. You can't have it both ways.
I have never argued that Tambling doesnt have good disposal skills. I have argued that he is an outside player, however that does not excuse going hard at the ball when its your turn. Very few teams can afford outside players that don't take their turn and we are certainly not one of them who can.

Which others are you talking about?

 

[Djevv]

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Mate you brought up the comparison between Tambling and Cotchin/Martin using statistics. You can't have it both ways.

Whichever way you cut it DEs in the 50s are not good. He was playing HF for some of the game which might account for these lowish disposal numbers.

I have never argued that Tambling doesnt have good disposal skills. I have argued that he is an outside player, however that does not excuse going hard at the ball when its your turn. Very few teams can afford outside players that don't take their turn and we are certainly not one of them who can.

I didn't see the game live and on TV it is hard to judge. 4 tackles was probably above average though. If he was not going in hard he needs to without a doubt.

Which others are you talking about?

Polo, Newman, Collins, White, Nason, Rance, Astbury were all in similar roles and had inferior stats to Tambling, yet Tambling gets all the whacks. I just find it tiresome.

I have been dissappointed with him this year but I thought this game was his best so far and may show a bit of promise for the rest of the year.

 

[IrockZ]

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Polo, Newman, Collins, White, Nason, Rance, Astbury were all in similar roles and had inferior stats to Tambling, yet Tambling gets all the whacks. I just find it tiresome.

Polo - played defence
Newman - played defence
Collins - dont rate anyway
White - dont rate anyway
Nason - 1st year
Rance - played defence
Astbury - 1st year

The only people who you can compare him to are Edwards and Nahas who both were much more effective than him.

I just find the excuse making tiresome. He isnt a kid anymore.

 

[Djevv]

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Polo - played defence
Newman - played defence
Collins - dont rate anyway
White - dont rate anyway
Nason - 1st year
Rance - played defence
Astbury - 1st year

The only people who you can compare him to are Edwards and Nahas who both were much more effective than him.

I just find the excuse making tiresome. He isnt a kid anymore.

I thought Tambling was in defence for much of the game. Where did I make excuses? I said a solid game - and it was.

Edwards was definitely better, Nahas was about on a par.

 

[GoodOne]

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Whichever way you cut it DEs in the 50s are not good. He was playing HF for some of the game which might account for these lowish disposal numbers.

Whichever way you cut it, he did not get any ball himself yesterday. That indicates a lack of effort, and seeing the game will back that up. To put it in perspective, only Webberley, Nason, White and Astbury had less or even and 3 of those are 1st year players.

I didn't see the game live and on TV it is hard to judge. 4 tackles was probably above average though. If he was not going in hard he needs to without a doubt.

Pro-stats says 2 tackles with 1 being effective. I have seen him tackle hard at times in past games, so it is very frustrating to see him come out with a different mindset. Mind you many other players fared no better in that respect. Just makes you wonder why the smallest guy we have Nahas can go out there and make 8 tackles with 75% efficiency and others don't even want to know what a tackle is.

Polo, Newman, Collins, White, Nason, Rance, Astbury were all in similar roles and had inferior stats to Tambling, yet Tambling gets all the whacks. I just find it tiresome.

Polo was tagging Vince and was soundly beaten by Vince on the night I thought. Newman had a poorer game and has been getting his fair share of criticism lately. White was poor and gets his fair whack from supporters. Nason and Astbury are first year players, so comparisons with a 100 gamer is pretty unfair or is that the level we should be comparing Tambling with? Rance wasn't too bad I thought, clearly needs to improve to make it, but once again he gets his fair share of flak and again has only played 1/5th of the number of games Tambling has.

Think your comments that Tambling gets all the whacks is a little over the top. He's in his 5th year and needs to cement his spot in the team sooner rather than later. We know he can do it. It's the application that I have trouble with and that's why I spend more time criticising Tambling than others. Had the same issue with Schulz. Nothing frustrates me more than someone who is given a talent but refuses to apply themselves. If AFL is not where you want to be, move on and give someone else the opportunity (assuming of course its not this compartment syndrome that is preventing him from actually trying on gameday).

 

[Djevv]

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I just find the excuse making tiresome. He isnt a kid anymore.

Just one more thing Rocky. There are excuses and there are reasons. Recovery from injury and interrupted pre-seasons are legitimate reasons why a player may be slow out of the blocks at the beginning of a season. I hope this is the case and Tambling may be on the improve.

 

[evo]

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Just makes you wonder why the smallest guy we have Nahas can go out there and make 8 tackles with 75% efficiency and others don't even want to know what a tackle is.

If only tambling attacked the game the way Nahas does. Bling has 10 times Nahas natural talent but about a 1/4 of his vigour.

Disappointing.

Polo was tagging Vince and was soundly beaten by Vince on the night I thought.

After a pretty decent game last week Polo was back to his mediocre worst. Another real dissapointment.

 

[U2Tigers]

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Jeez this is really turning into the Krakouer thread.

I just hope Tambling can back to the form he had in the middle of last year - IMO he was our best player for the 10-12 game stretch.

In saying that - thats where I also am dissapointed in him now - Last years stretch of form needs to be the norm for him.