Tambling (merged)

[RROFO]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

People will ... tripe ... bitterness.

Bugger off back to Big Footy will you. You're boring there don't come boring everyone here.

hey i don't think he/she was being nasty , some of it sounds like what phantom was saying about your needs and our needs being different plus that franklin roughhead v tambling delindio are too different sets of people and you can not really compare even thou plenty try whether hawk supporters or tiger supporters

Golden I have watch this twerp for a long time. He / she has no intention of carrying on a conversation, provocation is the only motive. I am sure he / she is quite reasonable on a Hawthorn board. That is the last you will hear from me on the subject I promise.

 

[tigers80]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Yes, I recall the advice of my old friend & cricket captain Chopper Kane.

I remember us walking down the pathway back from the "G" towards the PRG after the last game of the 1997 season, could have been the GF.

We were avidly discussing who the Tigers should take in the draft, Ottens or Travis Johnstone. I was very impressed with Johnstone, but I'd also heard that he did have discipline problems.

Chopper said, "Mick, when in doubt always go for the big man."

So in hindsight, who would we have got better value out of:

Ottens v Johnstone? Remember it took a long time for Johnstone to come good.

Pavlich v Fiora?

And at these early stages,

Roughead v Deledio? I'm sure that if Hawthorn had pick 1, they'd've taken Deledio too.

Deledio is extremely good, but he does have a few kinks that need to be ironed out.
One of these I'm not so sure if you can.
When Deledio takes a mark, he stops.
He continually takes too long to make that decision and loses his first option.
His thinking time also allows the opposition to run back and flood.

Thinking time is something that is very hard to alter.
It's mental and reliant on active memory. (Very hard to load bigger RAM into a human brain.) Mental exercise would be appropriate.
But it is still a big hurdle that Deledio has to get over, if he wants to get up to that James Hird/Chris Judd level.
I'm sure Terry is well aware of this.

Have a look again at the replay of Saturday's game. You'll see him do it repeatedly.

agree completely with your observations on young Brett....i wish sometimes some of our supporters would go easy on 'our next superstar' lets try and keep a lid (excuse the pun) on some of our expectations for the young bloke...

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Roughead v Deledio? I'm sure that if Hawthorn had pick 1, they'd've taken Deledio too.

Deledio is extremely good, but he does have a few kinks that need to be ironed out.
One of these I'm not so sure if you can.
When Deledio takes a mark, he stops.
He continually takes too long to make that decision and loses his first option.
His thinking time also allows the opposition to run back and flood.

Thinking time is something that is very hard to alter.
It's mental and reliant on active memory. (Very hard to load bigger RAM into a human brain.) Mental exercise would be appropriate.
But it is still a big hurdle that Deledio has to get over, if he wants to get up to that James Hird/Chris Judd level.
I'm sure Terry is well aware of this.

Have a look again at the replay of Saturday's game. You'll see him do it repeatedly.

Maybe he just wants to be on TV for longer periods. :hihi

 

[Bizman]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

I am dumber for having read this thread.....

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[RROFO]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

I am dumber for having read this thread.....

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:hihi

 

[Richmond United]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

People will lay off Tambling when he produces. Just at the moment it doesn't look like that is going to happen anytime soon.

At the time of the draft the vibe on Tambling was that he was ready to step up immediately, after having been playing against men in the Northern Territory. It was accepted that Deledio and Tambling would have more immediate effect then the talls in the draft, and whilst Deledio has produced, Tambling has shown nothing.

The contrast between Franklin and Tambling couldn't be more stark, it is akin to comparing blood and water. Franklin on the one hand produced 20 goals as a developing tall in his first season, now rumoured to now be 199cm and 95kg, together with the most uncanny athletic ability and a highlights reel from season 2005 that would rival any first year recruit. Although Franklin was well beaten on the weekend playing a role that just didn't suit. He still stood up when it mattered by showing great poise in getting away from Hall and delivering a pass to Williams to win the game.

Over the last two years there were two players I wanted Hawthorn not to touch - one was Tambling and the other JON. For much the same reason, as I didn't want the club to waste high draft picks on sporadically producing light bodied ball receivers. These players are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in any draft and  usually after the second round, yet curiously they have always been the type of player that Wallet has rated. They are the sort of players that are the icing on the cake but can rarely take you to the point of being a serious finals contender. Hawthorn has Harry Miller, a late second round pick, who has already shown more then Tambling as he did once again on the weekend.

In time Richmond supporters will come to view how poorly they played the 2005/06 drafts and that the premature celebrating of their coup post 2005 draft (complete with put-downs of Hawthorn's drafting) will become an issue of considerable angst, embarassment and bitterness.  

Basically smacks of wishful thinking or sour grapes.....perhaps a bit of both! It might be prudent to wait a few seasons before coming on to a Richmond forum beating your chest!

Ritchie has not been rated as the best young footballer to come out of the NT (by highly respected judges) for nothing!

Moreover.....if you really want to talk about poor recruiting decisions i have 1 word for you GRIFFEN.....what on earth was Bucky thinking!

 

[nitrotiger]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

my 2 bobs worth on Tambling....

Cut him a bit of slack.....To me he seems like a Mercedes MLK.....(Kompressor for the unknowns)
Tryin to perform at his best on aussie roads....when he,s been bred to do top speed on the autobahns........*smile* off all the science,advice.....he,s indigenous after all.....theyre the masters at playing INSTINCTIVE FOOTY.....
Give him his head and the time to develop that....and he,ll repay us in a multitude of spades.......
BRING IT ON RICHARD........ ;D

Youl see everyone....youll see....... ;D

 

[Tubytiger]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

The guy has been so bloody injury prone since he started that he has limited time on the park. IMO given a injury free run and time to bulk up a bit more will be a very very good player in the AFL and more importantly with the RFC . For gods sake just give the guy a go - he just needs to get over a bad period of injuries to be able to show what he is worth.

Anyone can look back in hindsight and say i(or we) should of done this and that in regards to MANY previous drafts but in reality it is not a option. We have Tambo on the books and im backing him in to be a great player for us in the future. God, some people on here and little patience even though we have been waiting for the entire club to get its act together for so long but have little patience with a player that really does have ability but has not been able to show it due to one year which has been plagued with injury.....

 

[Disco08]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

I am dumber for having read this thread.....

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I'm much happier for having read your username.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Yes, I recall the advice of my old friend & cricket captain Chopper Kane.

I remember us walking down the pathway back from the "G" towards the PRG after the last game of the 1997 season, could have been the GF.

We were avidly discussing who the Tigers should take in the draft, Ottens or Travis Johnstone. I was very impressed with Johnstone, but I'd also heard that he did have discipline problems.

Chopper said, "Mick, when in doubt always go for the big man."

So in hindsight, who would we have got better value out of:

Ottens v Johnstone? Remember it took a long time for Johnstone to come good.

Pavlich v Fiora?

And at these early stages,

Roughead v Deledio? I'm sure that if Hawthorn had pick 1, they'd've taken Deledio too.

Your a marvel Phanto.You can remember all the way back then yet when asked if you applied for the recruiting job your reply was i dont recall .
So tell us was the above just to strengthen your position on this subject[In other words bullcrap]or in case is it a case of not admiting to rejection in fear of your status on here if known might put a huge dent in your ego?

 

[Disco08]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Phantom has an ego?

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

I am so 2 of all this talk about selections from the 2004 draft!

Gee, if people are getting paranoid now with the 'what if's', and 'had we' then we are in need of

 

[the claw]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

no no get it right i said i wouldnt touch clarke with a barge pole and yes i have learnt a lesson about overlooking players with percieved poor attitudes when they show every other attribute needed to succeed. with hindsight clarke should of been taken in front of jon so should of hurn who i pushed for.

So if I read you correctly (and your posts can be damn hard to read) you have totally changed your opinion based 1 pre-season game played by a first year draftee, and have written off the player we took who has not even had the chance to play 1 game.

By the way I feel it is probably unfair to judge a young player on 1 season let alone 1 game. Call me feral if you like (Whatever that means).

nowhere have i said i have changed my mind regarding clarke. based on seeing him drop his bundle in a couple of games i said i wouldnt touch him with a barge pole but i can say categorically i would of taken him in front of jon having seen him play a few times i was one of the few who voiced his displeasyre at taking jon at 8 in the draft andi stand by that assesment. especially when quality players like hurn were still available.i have stated in the past clarke has the talent but not the right mindset or attitude. based on talent alone clarke was clearly a top 10 pick and it seems he doesnt have an attitude problem either hence my earlier comments about over looking players with percieved poor attitudes.
as far as our clubs drafting goes and this is the point i have been trying to make those who are paid plenty to know have missed the boat when it comes to drafting quality talls or big solid hard at it skilled on ballers.

 

[pahoffm]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Your a marvel Phanto.You can remember all the way back then yet when asked if you applied for the recruiting job your reply was i dont recall .
So tell us was the above just to strengthen your position on this subject[In other words bullcrap]or in case is it a case of not admiting to rejection in fear of your status on here if known might put a huge dent in your ego?

Look as far as ego is concerned, I have as much ego as anyone else, no more no less.

Insofaras the Corporate Mgrs position was concerned, yes I remember communicating with both Steve Wright and Renato Serafini about it. As previously said, before IT I was heavily involved in corporate mgmt in FMCG. The IT that I do now is still within FMCG. Point is, I specifically remember taking steps in that regard.

As for the Recruiting Mgrs position, I can't recall doing the same thing, maybe because I already knew who Greg had targetted for the position. May be I did, but my mind has submerged it. I've looked up my Sent Items but everything on my work computer up to the end of 2005 has been archived. I'll have a look at my home computer tonight.

As far as my ego is concerned, look, I'll leave it up to those who have met me.

Evo, Skills, GPB, MB, Lutt, TOT, CC, anyone else, I know I have an ego, everyone does.
How big is mine? Be honest. I can take it.

 

[jayfox]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Look as far as ego is concerned, I have as much ego as anyone else, no more no less.

Ok FunTom, Question # 1
So are you saying that we all have the same sized ego? Because I would seriously disagree with that.

Question #2
Your Signiture says "Show me someone with an ounce of authority and I'll show you a closet megalomaniac." Do you have an ounce of authority?

 

[pahoffm]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Look as far as ego is concerned, I have as much ego as anyone else, no more no less.

Ok FunTom, Question # 1
So are you saying that we all have the same sized ego? Because I would seriously disagree with that.

Good point. I'll go along with you.

Question #2
Your Signiture says "Show me someone with an ounce of authority and I'll show you a closet megalomaniac." Do you have an ounce of authority?

Good point. Help me find a country that I can abuse.

Hopefully this diversion has provided us all with entertainment.
If I can quote myself there has to be something in it.

 

[Leysy Days]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Poor Ol Phantom was trying to convince us all it was best to take Roughhead at 1.

With hindsight drafting is a very easy science

If you remember correctly, I couldn't make up my mind.
Deledio/Griffen & Tambling were the best midfielders.
Roughead & Franklin were the best talls, with my preference of talls toward Roughead.

I couldn't decide whether to take the tall first or the midfielder first.
In my mind the decision was:
Take Roughead at 1, and get Tambling at 4, or,
take Deledio at 1, and get Franklin at 4.
I still haven't made up my mind what might have been the best long-term choice.

So that's where I stood, it's where I still stand.

It is better than you Leysy, who just didn't know at all and just followed the crowd.

Firstly phantom dont be so defensive son, I was only pointing out how we are all so clever in hindsight but not so beforehand.....ie all the naysayers now coming up with how we should have drafted Franklin ahead of Tambing (which is still far too early to tell BTW)

to illustrate my point that the draft is such an inexact science I stated the fact one of PRE's self professed junior gurus was keen on the following b4 the draft -

Phantom wrote -
So:
Pick no.1 - Roughead
Pick no.4 - Deledio/Griffen/Tambling
Pick no.12 - Lewis/Wood/Meesen/Grundy
Pick no.16 - Wood/Meesen/Grundy/Willets/Bate
At this stage we should have at least, one kpp, one midfielder, and one ruckman.
Pick no.20 - JDSmith/McMahon/Corrie/Eckermann/Bate/Grundy/Kirkby/Barling/SHill/Dunn/Delmenico
Pick no.36 - Barling/SHill/Dunn/EShaw/WMills/Delmenico
This will give us either an extra inside midfielder & kpp, or 2 extra kpps.
Pick no.52 - SMeyer/EShaw/WMills/IMcLean/Toovey
Pick no.68 - SMeyer/EShaw/WMills/IMcLean/Toovey/MMurphy/Foss

& then for you to come up with some snide little remark that Leysy has no balls & follows the crowd, unlike yourself Leysy doesnt follow the juniors & only garnishes his knowledge from the learned PRE crew.

However if you were to venture onto the Horse Racing thread or maybe the AFL Punting thread you'll see Leysys opinion & predictions splattered everywhere....however unlike some on here you'll also see him havin the balls to admit when his tips & suggestions are duds as well






Phantom then wrote:

Hey, that wasn't bad.

Obviously I made a choice somewhere.

So, if I look at how my tips would have gone, depending on player ability, we might have ended up with:
Roughead, Tambling, Wood, Willets, JDSmith, Mills & Toovey.

Compare that with:
Deledio, Tambling, DMeyer, Pattison, McGuane, Limbach & Graham

That's not a bad choice. (Actually, hindsight tells me that it was a damned good choice.)

Amazing actually, I spotted Wayde Mills out of the 2004 draft pool. Forgot about that. Most people didn't spot him until the 2005 carnival.

I'm pretty proud of those selections.

Hey Frank/Greg, in hindsight do you think you could have done better?

geez take the best pick of the plethora of your selections why dont you...........

 

[jayfox]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

Hopefully this diversion has provided us all with entertainment.

Just goes to show that if you are going to be a 'high profile' person you have to be careful with what you say or do.

 

[pahoffm]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

geez take the best pick of the plethora of your selections why dont you...........

Come on Leysy, no sour grapes, we all barrack for the same side.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: Lay off Tambling!!

As for the Recruiting Mgrs position, I can't recall doing the same thing, maybe because I already knew who Greg had targetted for the position. May be I did, but my mind has submerged it. I've looked up my Sent Items but everything on my work computer up to the end of 2005 has been archived. I'll have a look at my home computer tonight.

Surely a position as recruiting manager of your beloved Tigers wouldnt be swept aside that easly.You either did or didnt apply, its something i would recall.