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‘Legalise child rape’: Iraq to lower the ‘age of consent’ for girls to nine

Iraq is set to lower the age of consent to nine years old, a decision that women’s rights activists say will “legalise child rape”.

The amendment to the country’s “personal status law” – also known as Law 188 – would allow adult men to marry young girls, putting them at increased risk of sexual and physical violence, as well as deprive women of rights to divorce, child custody and inheritance.

Established in 1959, Law 188 was viewed as one of the most progressive in the Middle East, acting as a safeguard for families, regardless of religious sect.

The proposal to overturn it is the latest step in a more than decade-long push to erode women’s rights by conservative Shia Muslim groups, a coalition of which now dominate the Iraqi parliament.

While Iraq has outlawed marriage under the age of 18 for almost 70 years, a 2023 UNICEF survey found that 28 per cent of girls in Iraq had married before they reached 18 because of a loophole in Law 188 that allows religious leaders, instead of courts, to officiate marriages involving girls as young as 15, with the permission of their father.

This latest move aligns with a strict interpretation of Islamic law, the governing coalition said, and is intended to protect young girls from “immoral relationships”.

Previous attempts by Shia parties to amend Law 188 failed in 2014 and 2017, largely due to backlash from Iraqi women.

Given it now has a large parliamentary majority, however, and a second reading of the amendment passed on September 16, Chatham House senior research fellow Dr Renad Mansour said it’s likely this time it will get over the line.

“It’s the closest it’s ever been,” Dr Mansour told The Telegraph.

“It has more momentum than it’s ever had, primarily because of the Shia parties.

“It’s not all Shira parties, it’s just the specific ones thatg are empowered and are really pushing it.”

It’s not yet clear when the amendment will go before parliament for a vote, Dr Mansour said, but it could come at any moment.

A coalition of groups – including Iraqi MPs – have opposed the law change, with their co-ordinator, Raya Faiq, describing it to The Guardian in August as “a catastrophe for women”.

“My husband and my family oppose child marriage,” she said, before highlighting the consequences of the change for future generations.

“But imagine if my daughter gets married and my daughter’s husband wants to marry off my granddaughter as a child. The new law would allow him to do so.

“I would not be allowed to object. This law legalises child rape.”

International human rights adviser and director of Model Iraqi Woman, Athraa Al-Hassan, told The Telegraph she is “afraid” the nation’s system of governance will soon be replaced with one known as the Guardianship of the Jurist.

The Shia system, which undermines the regimes in Afghanistan and Iran, puts religious rule above the state.

“What they aspire to in parliament is not in the interest of society, but their personal interest,” Ms Al-Hassan said.

“We are defending the rights of women and girls (and) protecting Iraqi society from disintegration and the establishment of sectarianism among the social fabric.”

One of 25 female Iraqi MPs who have tried to stop the amendment, Alia Nassif, told The Guardian that the thinking of her male counterparts is “narrow minded”.

“Unfortunately, male MPs who support this law speak in a masculine way, asking what’s wrong with marrying a minor?” Ms Nassif said.

“They don’t take into consideration that they are the legislators that determine people’s fate … but rather follow their masculine thinking to authorise all this.”


I hope everyone, not just all the Women’s Rights groups and the UN come out and highlight and criticise this decision. Utterly barbaric.
How any man or woman, regardless of their nationality, faith, age or religious beliefs can stand to see this defies belief.
Every measure should be used to dissuade this from evergoing through.
Just sickening.
 
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‘Legalise child rape’: Iraq to lower the ‘age of consent’ for girls to nine

Iraq is set to lower the age of consent to nine years old, a decision that women’s rights activists say will “legalise child rape”.

The amendment to the country’s “personal status law” – also known as Law 188 – would allow adult men to marry young girls, putting them at increased risk of sexual and physical violence, as well as deprive women of rights to divorce, child custody and inheritance.

Established in 1959, Law 188 was viewed as one of the most progressive in the Middle East, acting as a safeguard for families, regardless of religious sect.

The proposal to overturn it is the latest step in a more than decade-long push to erode women’s rights by conservative Shia Muslim groups, a coalition of which now dominate the Iraqi parliament.

While Iraq has outlawed marriage under the age of 18 for almost 70 years, a 2023 UNICEF survey found that 28 per cent of girls in Iraq had married before they reached 18 because of a loophole in Law 188 that allows religious leaders, instead of courts, to officiate marriages involving girls as young as 15, with the permission of their father.

This latest move aligns with a strict interpretation of Islamic law, the governing coalition said, and is intended to protect young girls from “immoral relationships”.

Previous attempts by Shia parties to amend Law 188 failed in 2014 and 2017, largely due to backlash from Iraqi women.

Given it now has a large parliamentary majority, however, and a second reading of the amendment passed on September 16, Chatham House senior research fellow Dr Renad Mansour said it’s likely this time it will get over the line.

“It’s the closest it’s ever been,” Dr Mansour told The Telegraph.

“It has more momentum than it’s ever had, primarily because of the Shia parties.

“It’s not all Shira parties, it’s just the specific ones thatg are empowered and are really pushing it.”

It’s not yet clear when the amendment will go before parliament for a vote, Dr Mansour said, but it could come at any moment.

A coalition of groups – including Iraqi MPs – have opposed the law change, with their co-ordinator, Raya Faiq, describing it to The Guardian in August as “a catastrophe for women”.

“My husband and my family oppose child marriage,” she said, before highlighting the consequences of the change for future generations.

“But imagine if my daughter gets married and my daughter’s husband wants to marry off my granddaughter as a child. The new law would allow him to do so.

“I would not be allowed to object. This law legalises child rape.”

International human rights adviser and director of Model Iraqi Woman, Athraa Al-Hassan, told The Telegraph she is “afraid” the nation’s system of governance will soon be replaced with one known as the Guardianship of the Jurist.

The Shia system, which undermines the regimes in Afghanistan and Iran, puts religious rule above the state.

“What they aspire to in parliament is not in the interest of society, but their personal interest,” Ms Al-Hassan said.

“We are defending the rights of women and girls (and) protecting Iraqi society from disintegration and the establishment of sectarianism among the social fabric.”

One of 25 female Iraqi MPs who have tried to stop the amendment, Alia Nassif, told The Guardian that the thinking of her male counterparts is “narrow minded”.

“Unfortunately, male MPs who support this law speak in a masculine way, asking what’s wrong with marrying a minor?” Ms Nassif said.

“They don’t take into consideration that they are the legislators that determine people’s fate … but rather follow their masculine thinking to authorise all this.”


I hope everyone, not just all the Women’s Rights groups and the UN come out and highlight and criticise this decision. Utterly barbaric.
How any man or woman, regardless of their nationality, faith, age or religious beliefs can stand to see this defies belief.
Every measure should be used to dissuade this from evergoing through.
Just sickening.
Totally with you on this.
 
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‘Legalise child rape’: Iraq to lower the ‘age of consent’ for girls to nine

Iraq is set to lower the age of consent to nine years old, a decision that women’s rights activists say will “legalise child rape”.

The amendment to the country’s “personal status law” – also known as Law 188 – would allow adult men to marry young girls, putting them at increased risk of sexual and physical violence, as well as deprive women of rights to divorce, child custody and inheritance.

Established in 1959, Law 188 was viewed as one of the most progressive in the Middle East, acting as a safeguard for families, regardless of religious sect.

The proposal to overturn it is the latest step in a more than decade-long push to erode women’s rights by conservative Shia Muslim groups, a coalition of which now dominate the Iraqi parliament.

While Iraq has outlawed marriage under the age of 18 for almost 70 years, a 2023 UNICEF survey found that 28 per cent of girls in Iraq had married before they reached 18 because of a loophole in Law 188 that allows religious leaders, instead of courts, to officiate marriages involving girls as young as 15, with the permission of their father.

This latest move aligns with a strict interpretation of Islamic law, the governing coalition said, and is intended to protect young girls from “immoral relationships”.

Previous attempts by Shia parties to amend Law 188 failed in 2014 and 2017, largely due to backlash from Iraqi women.

Given it now has a large parliamentary majority, however, and a second reading of the amendment passed on September 16, Chatham House senior research fellow Dr Renad Mansour said it’s likely this time it will get over the line.

“It’s the closest it’s ever been,” Dr Mansour told The Telegraph.

“It has more momentum than it’s ever had, primarily because of the Shia parties.

“It’s not all Shira parties, it’s just the specific ones thatg are empowered and are really pushing it.”

It’s not yet clear when the amendment will go before parliament for a vote, Dr Mansour said, but it could come at any moment.

A coalition of groups – including Iraqi MPs – have opposed the law change, with their co-ordinator, Raya Faiq, describing it to The Guardian in August as “a catastrophe for women”.

“My husband and my family oppose child marriage,” she said, before highlighting the consequences of the change for future generations.

“But imagine if my daughter gets married and my daughter’s husband wants to marry off my granddaughter as a child. The new law would allow him to do so.

“I would not be allowed to object. This law legalises child rape.”

International human rights adviser and director of Model Iraqi Woman, Athraa Al-Hassan, told The Telegraph she is “afraid” the nation’s system of governance will soon be replaced with one known as the Guardianship of the Jurist.

The Shia system, which undermines the regimes in Afghanistan and Iran, puts religious rule above the state.

“What they aspire to in parliament is not in the interest of society, but their personal interest,” Ms Al-Hassan said.

“We are defending the rights of women and girls (and) protecting Iraqi society from disintegration and the establishment of sectarianism among the social fabric.”

One of 25 female Iraqi MPs who have tried to stop the amendment, Alia Nassif, told The Guardian that the thinking of her male counterparts is “narrow minded”.

“Unfortunately, male MPs who support this law speak in a masculine way, asking what’s wrong with marrying a minor?” Ms Nassif said.

“They don’t take into consideration that they are the legislators that determine people’s fate … but rather follow their masculine thinking to authorise all this.”


I hope everyone, not just all the Women’s Rights groups and the UN come out and highlight and criticise this decision. Utterly barbaric.
How any man or woman, regardless of their nationality, faith, age or religious beliefs can stand to see this defies belief.
Every measure should be used to dissuade this from evergoing through.
Just sickening.
No chance of getting an abortion over there I'd imagine.
 
No chance of getting an abortion over there I'd imagine
Obviously to some, because it doesn’t relate to Trump, it can be joked about.
Pity some of the TDS Ruddophiles can’t stand by their moralistic outrage …which is now obviously put on…to deplore this disgrace.

Where are those outraged pro Arab or is it Palestinians, nothing to say about the plight of these young girls. Their silence is deafening.
 
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Of course it represents a specific group - he is a right-wing politician, emboldened by the Trump victory.

I bet many RW supporters secretly wish they could speak like him, say whatever they want. Free speech isn't it?

The more hate speech like this that comes out that isn't denounced the more acceptable it becomes.

Everyone should denounce it, but specifically the leaders in RW parties - Dutton should be denouncing it.
What a load of garbage. I don't know a single person who talks like that and if I did I wouldn't know them for long. The guy's views are so extreme it doesn't matter what side of politics he comes from because he would have so little support he's irrelevant. Way too much plucking extreme comments from politicians and trying to apply them to to everyone on a certain side of politics happens on this site. There's extremist nuts on both sides of politics and trying to portray them as indicative of all from whatever side of politics is ridiculous.
 
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What a load of garbage. I don't know a single person who talks like that and if I did I wouldn't know them for long. The guy's views are so extreme it doesn't matter what side of politics he comes from because he would have so little support he's irrelevant. Way too much plucking extreme comments from politicians and trying to apply them to to everyone on a certain side of politics happens on this site. There's extremist nuts on both sides of politics and trying to portray them as indicative of all from whatever side of politics is ridiculous.
Yes you soon learn those who little idea outside their own bubble. If they couldn’t find a reason to say he’s a right winger, they’d still label him as such.
Then they’ll say all right wingers are the same. Then they’ll either connect that to Trump or the Murdoch media. ;)
The poor left wing boys club never have an original thought in their heads.
It justifies their self indulgent moral superiority.or so they believe. Instead it makes them look like the foolish clowns they are. They really need some professional help, but they get validation because some other lwnj will give them a “like”

Funnily enough the most hate speech seems to come from the lefties. Just look at the US elections. Hate speech, lies, innuendo the whole lot and more as the Dems became more desperate.
Poor little things.
 
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Babet might be a tad extreme, but the amount of mouth breathers now mocking women in the US with the quote "Her body, my choice" is quite frankly very disturbing. The US really is heading to the world of The Handmaid's Tale.

Thank *smile* I don't have a daughter.
 
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This is the sort of thinking that Trump relies on.

Would have thought it was scarcely believable that the truth would become so irrelevant to so many people.

You reckon crowd size is one of the key issues many have with Trump?

The truth is not even important any more, Trump just tells more lies to distract from the other lies.
 
Obviously to some, because it doesn’t relate to Trump, it can be joked about.
I wasn't making a joke about it. It's disgraceful that those poor young girls have got no rights in what happens to them, both sexually and educationally. They and and all women over there have no freedom of speech, what a sad situation it is.
I feel sorry for them, just like I do the women in the USA.
 
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The Greens are far from a "one policy party", maybe check out there website if you actually want to understand their policies.

But yes, from what I can see i agree with the posters saying as a party they have fallen to much on line with Labor and the Libs- to much focus on party politics and not enough on policy (or pragmatism.)

Once you go with rent control as a policy (which might win votes) but has been proven in multiple different geographies to actually reduce the supply of affordable rentals you will never ever get a vote or preference from me.

You could bring in stricter policies about say after you sell an investment property the tenant gets an automatic six to twelve month extension if the new owner wants to live there / develop etc. // restricting losses applicable to income tax to maybe one property etc etc // tackle housing supply/demand etc. and you’d much more likely get my attention.
 
Once you go with rent control as a policy (which might win votes) but has been proven in multiple different geographies to actually reduce the supply of affordable rentals you will never ever get a vote or preference from me.

You could bring in stricter policies about say after you sell an investment property the tenant gets an automatic six to twelve month extension if the new owner wants to live there / develop etc. // restricting losses applicable to income tax to maybe one property etc etc // tackle housing supply/demand etc. and you’d much more likely get my attention.
One of the things that European countries have is very long rentals, 10 years or more. In that way tenants get to treat a place like a home and have security.
Suits certain types of investors who are just looking for a stable investment return.
I don’t know an enormous amount about it but I think it has benefits.
 
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What a load of garbage. I don't know a single person who talks like that and if I did I wouldn't know them for long. The guy's views are so extreme it doesn't matter what side of politics he comes from because he would have so little support he's irrelevant. Way too much plucking extreme comments from politicians and trying to apply them to to everyone on a certain side of politics happens on this site. There's extremist nuts on both sides of politics and trying to portray them as indicative of all from whatever side of politics is ridiculous.
You are kidding - that is what the anti-woke lobby is all about - sick of lefty, softo, pinko garbage. The right want the ability to "call it as they see it" is as they say.

The outcry when they changed the cheese name from coon came from one side of politics only.

The outcry about welcome to country ceremonies comes from one side.

The outcry when Goodes called out racism came from one side.

The outcry about changing the day to celebrate Australia Day comes from one side.

Anything that involves diversity & inclusion is usually opposed by the right.

Are all as extreme as Babet - no, not yet. But insecure men are easily influenced by the likes of Tate, Babet, Trump etc, seeing them almost as role models. And the less repercussions there are for their behaviour and transgressions, the more emboldenned the behaviour will become.
 
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The Greens lost me when they voted no with the Libs on the Emission Trading Scheme legislation. They only won the one seat in the recent QLD election, having previously held two. Was interesting to note that Pauline Hanson didn't winning any seats, and Independents only the one.

Disappointingly the Greens got 307,178 - 9.89% of the votes, up from 271,515 - 9.47% in 2020. Would've liked to see there votes way down.

Mudguts Palmer didn't run any candidates, must be saving up his money so he can pee it up against the wall in the Federal Election.
 
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What a load of garbage. I don't know a single person who talks like that and if I did I wouldn't know them for long. The guy's views are so extreme it doesn't matter what side of politics he comes from because he would have so little support he's irrelevant. Way too much plucking extreme comments from politicians and trying to apply them to to everyone on a certain side of politics happens on this site. There's extremist nuts on both sides of politics and trying to portray them as indicative of all from whatever side of politics is ridiculous.


 


Fake news.
 
One of the things that European countries have is very long rentals, 10 years or more. In that way tenants get to treat a place like a home and have security.
Suits certain types of investors who are just looking for a stable investment return.
I don’t know an enormous amount about it but I think it has benefits.
Pre separation I had a rental property in wa Ellenbrook that was a construction / new build. The tenant I had there looked after the place like their own so I always kept the rent 10-20/wk under market. Must have had it at least a decade.

On separation was forced to sell and tried like hell to let them buy it - as for sure the rent would have covered easily (at the time) the mortgage payments. Turned out they couldn’t get a loan so new person came in and kicked them out.

These long lease with rental increase tied to average market / cpi or some other independent mechanism being default I think would be good and make investment support new house construction IMO. The lease has to persist through any sale.

Main thing it would block would be say someone going overseas for 2 years and wanting to rent out their house whilst they are gone. Potentially you could come up with some way to handle these types of situations but imagine would get exploited. Stamp duty also a blocker to folks who don’t need it for a few years selling then rebuying - massive transaction penalties.
 
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Are we maybe putting the horse before the cart?

The jews have been persucuted for centuries by there people. Maybe you think the Palastinians should have their wish to exterminate every Jew on the planet? After all they do have a clock counting down to the complete extermination of every single jew man woman and child.

They are still holding hostages FFS, so how can they petition for an end to the fighting. I'll tell tyou now AngryAnt, if someone tries to cold *smile* me from behind, it won't be them saying when the fight stops!

Sorry, can't spare the time to give you a history lesson right now but your contention that Egypt is somehow responsible for the plight of Palestine is the dumbest thing I've read all year.
 
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Pre separation I had a rental property in wa Ellenbrook that was a construction / new build. The tenant I had there looked after the place like their own so I always kept the rent 10-20/wk under market. Must have had it at least a decade.

On separation was forced to sell and tried like hell to let them buy it - as for sure the rent would have covered easily (at the time) the mortgage payments. Turned out they couldn’t get a loan so new person came in and kicked them out.

These long lease with rental increase tied to average market / cpi or some other independent mechanism being default I think would be good and make investment support new house construction IMO. The lease has to persist through any sale.

Main thing it would block would be say someone going overseas for 2 years and wanting to rent out their house whilst they are gone. Potentially you could come up with some way to handle these types of situations but imagine would get exploited. Stamp duty also a blocker to folks who don’t need it for a few years selling then rebuying - massive transaction penalties.
So much wrong with the outcome of that story :cry: