Talking Politics

[TigerMasochist]

Well done Clive. You spent 116 million dollars to get people voted in to push your agenda, and the best you got was this piece of *smile*. It says something about what a scumbag this guy is when he has me agreeing with Bandt for once.
The guy looks like a sleazebag, I’ve seen some of his real estate billboards around my area. After his comments, I dare say they won’t be in pristine condition for long after they get put up

United Australia senator Ralph Babet posts racist, homophobic slurs — The Sydney Morning Herald

Greens leader Adam Bandt condemned Babet’s posts, arguing that President-elect Donald Trump’s victory had emboldened the hard right.

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What's the old saying again? There's always one in every crowd. Guess we've managed to find another one in Babet. Guess even politics has a *smile* knuckle or two, or maybe three or four.

 

[Sintiger]

Well done Clive. You spent 116 million dollars to get people voted in to push your agenda, and the best you got was this piece of *smile*. It says something about what a scumbag this guy is when he has me agreeing with Bandt for once.
The guy looks like a sleazebag, I’ve seen some of his real estate billboards around my area. After his comments, I dare say they won’t be in pristine condition for long after they get put up

United Australia senator Ralph Babet posts racist, homophobic slurs — The Sydney Morning Herald

Greens leader Adam Bandt condemned Babet’s posts, arguing that President-elect Donald Trump’s victory had emboldened the hard right.

apple.news

Is it wrong or deluded to expect that everyone including Trump supporters should denounce what Babet said?

Surely basic human decency should transcend political views? Whether someone is conservative or progressive in their political point of view I would have thought that such views that he is espousing have no place in our political landscape.

Have we really sunk to this low?

I hope not but I am concerned that we may have.

 

[Sintiger]

Willo, your post was nonsensical and you still keep digging.

As I have explained a number of times, the different laws in states on abortion were irrelevant, as any contradiction with the Roe v Wade decision made them invalid. This is why those, invalid, laws didn't attract headlines. Because they were invalid. Geez do I have to spell out everything?

Yes, it was the Supreme Court which overturned Roe v Wade, no-one has said otherwise (crap attempt at a straw man by the way). Why did the Supreme Court suddenly overturn Roe v Wade when it had not done so for decades? That would be because of the judges Trump appointed to the Supreme Court, hence his taking credit for the Dodds decision.

Roe v Wade was overturned because the Supreme Court was stacked with anti-choice judges, by Trump. How you can fail to see Trump's hand in this is beyond me, are you really that dumb?

DS

Join the crew David, it makes posting much more enjoyable and productive.

 

[Willo]

Willo, your post was nonsensical and you still keep digging.

Nonsensical, but you found enough sense in it to reply

As I have explained a number of times, the different laws in states on abortion were irrelevant, as any contradiction with the Roe v Wade decision made them invalid.

It never made them invalid. Some states rescinded their law in favour of Roe vs Wade.
Most states kept those laws intact.
13 states rescinded those laws and made abortion illegal. That was the whole point of Roe being overturned, it determined it should never have been a constitutional right but left up to the states. As it was prior.
(The issue came about because Mississippi law banned abortions after 15 weeks)

This is why those, invalid, laws didn't attract headlines. Because they were invalid. Geez do I have to spell out everything?

Doubt bother spelling anything out. States have had since June 2022 to have legislation enacted to protect the right to abortion.some states simply reverted to the existing laws, others are repealing old laws and legislating new laws.

Did Trump ring every state governor and legislature and tell them not to pass any abortion laws? Hardly.

Yes, it was the Supreme Court which overturned Roe v Wade, no-one has said otherwise (crap attempt at a straw man by the way).

No straw man. So if SCOTUS overturned Wade it could hardly be because a private citizen, Trump rang the Chief Justice Robert’s to tell him to have Roe overturned as some would have you believe. What a joke.

So following on that it was SCOTUS who overturned Roe, to blame Trump “for women losing their rights”was incorrect. He doesn’t tell them how to operate the Supreme Court. Which is what I replied to another poster. Before you jumped in with your own opinion.

Why did the Supreme Court suddenly overturn Roe v Wade when it had not done so for decades? That would be because of the judges Trump appointed to the Supreme Court, hence his taking credit for the Dodds decision.

So Trump organised Roe to be overturned..

It was actually the Dobbs decision, not Dodds.
There would be a lot of people against terminating a foetus after 15 weeks. Not just anti choice, religions etc. but even a lot of pro choice adherents
That is what brought about overturning Roe. There was no Constitutional right to cover abortions after 15 weeks.

Roe v Wade was overturned because the Supreme Court was stacked with anti-choice judges,

Why then did it take those judges until 2022 to make that decision?
Stacked with anti choice judges?

by Trump. How you can fail to see Trump's hand in this is beyond me, are you really that dumb?

DS

Yes Trump rang them up and said “overturn Roe you owe me” just for the hell of it.
Here you are again acting as an expert on jurisprudence. Justices are nominated, but have to be confirmed by the senate.They aren’t a presidential appointment.
But we’re going around in circles.
All the TDS little Ruddites believe what they like, even the lies they tell themselves and keep repeating. Nothing will sway them from that.

Maybe they should spend some time debating why Trump was the people’s choice in an absolute bloodbath for the Democrats.
The American people know all about him, and yet still overwhelmingly decided he was a better choice as President. That Republicans in the Senate was a better deal for them. And looking exceedingly likely that the House will go that way too.
Maybe stop your bleating, whinging and whining leftie sooking and look at the reasons why.
But it’s far easier to say “it’s all Trumps fault” rather than being honest and asking why?

 

[Willo]

Is it wrong or deluded to expect that everyone including Trump supporters should denounce what Babet said?

If some people ignore it, it doesn’t mean they support it
Do all the Biden/Harris/Albo supporters need to come out and denounce that rubbish as well?

Surely basic human decency should transcend political views? Whether someone is conservative or progressive in their political point of view I would have thought that such views that he is espousing have no place in our political landscape.

So if it transcends political views why does it need a specific group to denounce it?
Obviously it doesn’t represent any group of people. Something I have already mentioned.

Have we really sunk to this low?

The less oxygen it gets, the better. Complete garbage from any politician. I thought there were laws against it. If so, he should be prosecuted.

I hope not but I am concerned that we may have.

Yes, you only have to look on these threads for examples of hate speech. Repeatedly. But it seems it’s ok, depending which side of the fence you’re sitting or who it is in the crosshairs.

 

[K3]

Is it wrong or deluded to expect that everyone including Trump supporters should denounce what Babet said?

Surely basic human decency should transcend political views? Whether someone is conservative or progressive in their political point of view I would have thought that such views that he is espousing have no place in our political landscape.

Have we really sunk to this low?

I hope not but I am concerned that we may have.

It's strange. While I don't know what that *smile* said, in a way I think he should be allowed to say it BUT when anyone who is taxpayer funded, comes out with utter drivel, they should be held accountable, and this is what is missing in Australian politics. Well, besides getting voted on every four years.

I am mostly for free speech, but for elected ppl, there should be a mechanism that is something like...
a. You did something remarkably against xyz
b. This crossed so many lines that we are going to hold a by-election
c. You get to answer to the public

Of course, especially it seams in QLD, boofheads can spout trash and get voted back in (hello Potato head) but when they cross a 'decided on' line, they should have to be held responsible and risk their cushy, taxpayer funded position.

For me, the larger concern is that people pay any attention to the *smile*. This is where Murdoch, Stokes et.al. are having a huge impact on the way Australia is heading. We need to do what they did in Manchester, and say enough is enough! We don't want this disgusting rag being sold here and it's disgraceful policies impacting our lives. The Sun hasn't been sold in Manchester since the horrid phone tapping incident in the UK years back. We need a government that is happy to stand up to these turdbags and break them up. We have some of the, if not 'the', worst media ownership rules in the world and it is time to change and make them divest.

 

[Sintiger]

Going back to Australian politics I notice there is a report of a large drop in support for the Greens.
There have always been supporters of the Greens who do so because they are concerned about climate change and they see it as a key issue of our time but they have been increasingly concerned with some of the extreme views on other issues. They also lose support when they block sensible policy for an unachievable principle as they have recently done on housing and did years ago on climate policy.
I’ve never been a greens supporter but I do support some of the positions they take from time to time. For instance they have been the only party to challenge our Government stance on Gaza and Israel and they also have been the only party to denounce Babet’s disgusting X post. But I don’t support many of the policies they have.
To me the key change is the emergence of the Teal independents who have climate change action as a key component of their platforms but have views on other policies that are far more main stream and (to me) practical. Lots of people have moved their support from Green to teal.
Not sure how the Greens remain relevant tbh.

 

[MD Jazz]

So if it transcends political views why does it need a specific group to denounce it?
Obviously it doesn’t represent any group of people. Something I have already mentioned.

Of course it represents a specific group - he is a right-wing politician, emboldened by the Trump victory.

I bet many RW supporters secretly wish they could speak like him, say whatever they want. Free speech isn't it?

The more hate speech like this that comes out that isn't denounced the more acceptable it becomes.

Everyone should denounce it, but specifically the leaders in RW parties - Dutton should be denouncing it.

 

[Sintiger]

It's strange. While I don't know what that *smile* said, in a way I think he should be allowed to say it BUT when anyone who is taxpayer funded, comes out with utter drivel, they should be held accountable, and this is what is missing in Australian politics. Well, besides getting voted on every four years.

I am mostly for free speech, but for elected ppl, there should be a mechanism that is something like...
a. You did something remarkably against xyz
b. This crossed so many lines that we are going to hold a by-election
c. You get to answer to the public

Of course, especially it seams in QLD, boofheads can spout trash and get voted back in (hello Potato head) but when they cross a 'decided on' line, they should have to be held responsible and risk their cushy, taxpayer funded position.

Even if none of that happens why not simply denounce it?
Say that this is not what we stand for and condemn it.

You can still stand for free speech but denounce what is said.

 

[K3]

Even if none of that happens why not simply denounce it?
Say that this is not what we stand for and condemn it.

You can still stand for free speech but denounce what is said.

Not saying, and don't think I did say, that is shouldn't be denounced. More that saying such drivel should come with greater repercussions than having ppl saying what a horrible person he is.

We know Musk won't do anything about such hate speech, and the likes of Murdoch will do their best to amplify it.

We have seen that a tiny minority across the world will celebrate such comments.

No Australian politician should be able to post/ say such things and only suffer some ppl counter-commenting. IMO there need to be real repercussions for making comments that are homophobic, sexist etc and/ or especially those that incite violence.

Having Bandt stand up and call it out will be doing nothing but having the looney tooney RWNJs pointing and laughing, commenting on how Babet et.al. have done it, cause look at how the 'woke lefty wankers' are getting all worked up.

Would he post/ say such things if he knew he would lose his very highly-paid and cushy job?

 

[K3]

Going back to Australian politics I notice there is a report of a large drop in support for the Greens.
There have always been supporters of the Greens who do so because they are concerned about climate change and they see it as a key issue of our time but they have been increasingly concerned with some of the extreme views on other issues. They also lose support when they block sensible policy for an unachievable principle as they have recently done on housing and did years ago on climate policy.
I’ve never been a greens supporter but I do support some of the positions they take from time to time. For instance they have been the only party to challenge our Government stance on Gaza and Israel and they also have been the only party to denounce Babet’s disgusting X post. But I don’t support many of the policies they have.
To me the key change is the emergence of the Teal independents who have climate change action as a key component of their platforms but have views on other policies that are far more main stream and (to me) practical. List of people have moved their support from Green to teal.
Not sure how the Greens remain relevant tbh.

Think you're spot on mate.

IMO the Greens were one of the 'I don't want to vote for either major parties!' parties. There are now other/ better/ different options available when at the ballot box.

I used to have a soft spot for the greens, and would put them up pretty high when voting, but now I also put local individuals at the top of the ballot paper and then work from the bottom up to them.

Back to the Greens... From what has been coming out, in Victoria especially, they are looking like just another political party who think their *smile* doesn't stink. When it most certainly does. It's time for them to get of their high horses and get a very big, strong brush out and go through how they have been operating across the past decade.

I miss the Aust Dems, but glad there are some forward-thinking non-party aligned individuals who are getting traction around the country! Hopefully at least 1/3 of our parliaments will be filled with independents in the very near future.

 

[TT33]

The Greens, a one policy party that have consistently failed the on issue they supposedly stand for. The environment.

Imo voting for them is the waste of a vote.

 

[Baloo]

Babet's feed is also sprinkled with bible verses and he claims to be a devout Christian.

Now I was "lucky" enough to attend 6 years at a boys Catholic School so I've got a pretty good understanding of the bible. For the life of me I just cannot understand how anyone that claims to use the Bible as their moral compass can possibly spew bile like that. That extends to the same bible readers who vote for Trump. The hypocrisy is mind blowing.

 

[Brodders17]

It's not all Howard's fault, i do enjoy putting the boots into him though.

Yeah, we can blame Costello too!

 

[Baloo]

Buying into a 3x Leveraged Bitcoin ETF about a month ago in case Trump won was the one of a very few investment light bulb moments I've had that worked well. Close to 20% gain yesterday.

But I won't tell you how much I lose when I finally decide to sell out.

Another 26% last night. The cloud of the US election results is getting a thicker silver lining every day.

 

[Willo]

For me, the larger concern is that people pay any attention to the *smile*. This is where Murdoch, Stokes et.al. are having a huge impact on the way Australia is heading. We need to do what they did in Manchester, and say enough is enough! We don't want this disgusting rag being sold here and it's disgraceful policies impacting our lives. The Sun hasn't been sold in Manchester since the horrid phone tapping incident in the UK years back. We need a government that is happy to stand up to these turdbags and break them up. We have some of the, if not 'the', worst media ownership rules in the world and it is time to change and make them divest.

Fair point.
But what do you do with the likes of twitter, instagram etc and all those other services that people use to promote themselves, their thoughts or whatever. It’s not jus5 the mainstream media. Not the RW media but the LW media as well.
There aren’t too many good journalists these days, they’re too busy being agitators

 

[Brodders17]

The Greens, a one policy party that have consistently failed the on issue they supposedly stand for. The environment.

Imo voting for them is the waste of a vote.

The Greens are far from a "one policy party", maybe check out there website if you actually want to understand their policies.

But yes, from what I can see i agree with the posters saying as a party they have fallen to much on line with Labor and the Libs- to much focus on party politics and not enough on policy (or pragmatism.)

 

[Brodders17]

It's strange. While I don't know what that *smile* said, in a way I think he should be allowed to say it BUT when anyone who is taxpayer funded, comes out with utter drivel, they should be held accountable, and this is what is missing in Australian politics. Well, besides getting voted on every four years.

I am mostly for free speech, but for elected ppl, there should be a mechanism that is something like...
a. You did something remarkably against xyz
b. This crossed so many lines that we are going to hold a by-election
c. You get to answer to the public

Of course, especially it seams in QLD, boofheads can spout trash and get voted back in (hello Potato head) but when they cross a 'decided on' line, they should have to be held responsible and risk their cushy, taxpayer funded position.

For me, the larger concern is that people pay any attention to the *smile*. This is where Murdoch, Stokes et.al. are having a huge impact on the way Australia is heading. We need to do what they did in Manchester, and say enough is enough! We don't want this disgusting rag being sold here and it's disgraceful policies impacting our lives. The Sun hasn't been sold in Manchester since the horrid phone tapping incident in the UK years back. We need a government that is happy to stand up to these turdbags and break them up. We have some of the, if not 'the', worst media ownership rules in the world and it is time to change and make them divest.

Personally, at the moment i dont have full faith he wouldnt be voted back in to the Senate- where a few votes and preferences from the other right wing parties- from One Nation to the Libs- would see him get his seat.

 

[MD Jazz]

Another 26% last night. The cloud of the US election results is getting a thicker silver lining every day.

Cannot wait for the release of Trumpcoin. Just gotta get out at the right time.

 

[Baloo]

Cannot wait for the release of Trumpcoin. Just gotta get out at the right time.