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Steve Morris F/S

My understanding was that it is not really about compensation, more about protecting the rest of the list.
The clubs want GWS to take theses retirees as 'uncontracted players' therefore not being able to take another uncontracted player from the same club this year or next year?
 
TigerMad said:
My understanding was that it is not really about compensation, more about protecting the rest of the list.
The clubs want GWS to take theses retirees as 'uncontracted players' therefore not being able to take another uncontracted player from the same club this year or next year?

Yep, my understanding too
 
TigerMad said:
My understanding was that it is not really about compensation, more about protecting the rest of the list.
The clubs want GWS to take theses retirees as 'uncontracted players' therefore not being able to take another uncontracted player from the same club this year or next year?

Yes, this is true. Question is would they be delisted though? Like i said Brogan, Cornes and Power should ask their respective clubs for a 2012 contract. It would end this debate as none would be given one.
 
Sintiger said:
Btw I know this is not what happened with brogan , Power etc . I am just talking in hypotheticals to make the point .

" If he's uncontracted and wants to go elsewhere it should be his right. " I understand but its open to abuse in these circumstances . I will use the hypothetical of Tuck for illustration . Lets say we wanted to offer him a one year deal and he said he wanted to retire but later we find he really wants to go to the Giants . In normal circumstances an uncontracted player would have to go into the draft or if he is intent on going to the giants he would have to be traded or the Giants could pick him up as an uncontracted player and we would get compensation . However what this brogan / Power situation allows is for a club to have a player to retire who they really want to keep when he actually wants to go to the Giants and they will get nothing .

That's the issue and why I think Port and Brisbane will get something for these guys . I am not saying they necessarily deserve it but that i expect it .
Still no abuse of a system as far as I'm concerned.
My main point still remains that if a player is uncontracted ( regardless of what we may feel like offering him by way of a new deal ). He should be entitled to go wherever he wants, FREELY. We don't own players , they aren't possessions to be bought and sold. The only players that clubs should be able to draft are never contracted players first entering the AFL system, after that you either keep them in contract so you have the right to swap them if all parties agree or they become free agents within the system. All clubs can access anyone who is a free agent

In the case of Hypo Tucky or Brogan, Power, Cornes, being forcibly retired or sneakily retiring like Mal Michael did. Port and Brisvegas are just belatedly trying to protect their arses from their own poor management because for this year there's a loophole in the system. Their pathetic, mean spirited behaviour towards former premiership stars just displays how poorly they are managed.
If Hypo Tucky was to sneak off and leave us exposed to GWS pinching a player then we need to get some better list management happening. All clubs have known what the rules were for several years but no bastard has bothered doing their homework and they're snivelling because of their own ineptness.
 
TigerMasochist said:
Still no abuse of a system as far as I'm concerned.
My main point still remains that if a player is uncontracted ( regardless of what we may feel like offering him by way of a new deal ). He should be entitled to go wherever he wants, FREELY. We don't own players , they aren't possessions to be bought and sold. The only players that clubs should be able to draft are never contracted players first entering the AFL system, after that you either keep them in contract so you have the right to swap them if all parties agree or they become free agents within the system. All clubs can access anyone who is a free agent

In the case of Hypo Tucky or Brogan, Power, Cornes, being forcibly retired or sneakily retiring like Mal Michael did. Port and Brisvegas are just belatedly trying to protect their arses from their own poor management because for this year there's a loophole in the system. Their pathetic, mean spirited behaviour towards former premiership stars just displays how poorly they are managed.
If Hypo Tucky was to sneak off and leave us exposed to GWS pinching a player then we need to get some better list management happening. All clubs have known what the rules were for several years but no bastard has bothered doing their homework and they're snivelling because of their own ineptness.
TM I don't disagree with much of what you are saying at all , I think I made that clear . All I am saying is that my expectation is that these clubs will get something for their retired players because the AFL will worry that if they don't it will open up the system to abuse as i described . However I don't really see a player lying to their club about wanting to retire as the club's ineptness .
Just to be clear I am not arguing that Port and Brisbane deserve some sort of reward for Brogan , Cornes or Power just that I expect them to get it , even if it is no more than them being seen as the uncontracted pick for those clubs. If they don't and they want someone like Tuck all they have to do is ask him to retire and then mysteriously talk him out of it .
 
TigerMad said:
My understanding was that it is not really about compensation, more about protecting the rest of the list.
The clubs want GWS to take theses retirees as 'uncontracted players' therefore not being able to take another uncontracted player from the same club this year or next year?

If they are taken as uncontracted players they use-up an uncontracted player pick, their host club gets compo (probably a 4th round pick - so no big deal) and GWS can't take another player from the club.

If they are cut BEFORE Oct 31 - GWS can use a different rule (the Krakouer, Mzugu, Richardson one) to prelist any guy who has been on an AFL list, or has previously nominated for a draft.

If Port / Brisbane do not delist the players at that first list lodgement, but delist them AFTER Oct 31 - then they can nominate for the draft and be available to anyone.
 
tigs2010 said:
Emma Quayle thinks he wants to stay in Adelaide. :mad:
If so then so be it.Our history with F/S and South Aussies players isn,t something to write home about. ;D
 
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
If so then so be it.Our history with F/S and South Aussies players isn,t something to write home about. ;D

Matthew Rogers & to a lesser extent Daffy & Bulluss in the last 20 years.
Nothing special in the last 10 years.
 
Super Matty Rogers!

Bullus was a drummer like me. ;D

Hope we get this kid.

Would slot in perfectly in the backline.

Might have to contend with Dimwittio's magic chequebook.
 
tigs2010 said:
Emma Quayle thinks he wants to stay in Adelaide. :mad:

Its only just another journos opinion.
Steve has spent some time training at our club. If he doesnt want to be playing for the yellow and black he can stay in boring ol Adelaide.
Next
 
Tiny S Tiger said:
How many gun father sons play at any time? I can think of Murphy, Ablett, Scarlett as elite. What are the odds and is this concept realistic?

Jonathan Brown, Dustin Fletcher, Jobe Watson, Travis Cloke and Heath Shaw were all recruited under the father son rule. I'd be happy if all of them played at Richmond.
 
btoz_01 said:
Its only just another journos opinion.
Steve has spent some time training at our club. If he doesnt want to be playing for the yellow and black he can stay in boring ol Adelaide.
Next

How long did he train with us,was it under the premise we would take him?
 
SAF said:
Jonathan Brown, Dustin Fletcher, Jobe Watson, Travis Cloke and Heath Shaw were all recruited under the father son rule. I'd be happy if all of them played at Richmond.
Steven Silvagni , Richo and Joel Bowden . Ashley McIntosh and Ben Cousins at the Eagles . The Cornes brothers .

There have been plenty .
 
tigertigertigertiger said:
How long did he train with us,was it under the premise we would take him?

Although at the end of our season, West Adelaide were still playing, so he probably was at a couple of mid-week sessions before flying home. No recruiters make promises to anyone - would have just been a try-before-you-buy arrangement.
 
Lennox Street said:
Although at the end of our season, West Adelaide were still playing, so he probably was at a couple of mid-week sessions before flying home. No recruiters make promises to anyone - would have just been a try-before-you-buy arrangement.

Mitch Farmer knew he was going to be swapped for Schulz months before the trade actually happened.
 
Lennox Street said:
Although at the end of our season, West Adelaide were still playing, so he probably was at a couple of mid-week sessions before flying home. No recruiters make promises to anyone - would have just been a try-before-you-buy arrangement.

Thanks Lennox
 
Lennox Street said:
If they are taken as uncontracted players they use-up an uncontracted player pick, their host club gets compo (probably a 4th round pick - so no big deal) and GWS can't take another player from the club.

If they are cut BEFORE Oct 31 - GWS can use a different rule (the Krakouer, Mzugu, Richardson one) to prelist any guy who has been on an AFL list, or has previously nominated for a draft.

If Port / Brisbane do not delist the players at that first list lodgement, but delist them AFTER Oct 31 - then they can nominate for the draft and be available to anyone.

Cheers Lennox.

Can understand the players frustration.
Have been loyal servants and been told are not a part of their clubs planned best 22 next year.
GWS says they can have a home for at least one more season maybe more, and maybe can stay on in a development role if they fit in.

No wmay not happen if GWS are forced to use draft picks.

Can see both sides as their current club would be culpable if they left the door open and lost a top ten uncontracted player to GWS
 
TigerMad said:
Can understand the players frustration.
Have been loyal servants and been told are not a part of their clubs planned best 22 next year.
GWS says they can have a home for at least one more season maybe more, and maybe can stay on in a development role if they fit in.

No wmay not happen if GWS are forced to use draft picks.

The other interpretation is that these guys are wanted sooooo much by GWS - that they are not prepared to use a draft pick on them. Nor trade for them. Nor forfeit the right to take an uncontracted player (which they may not be intending to do anyway). They really are sending the message to these blokes "we love you because you are cheap". Also we rate you so highly as development coaches that we are not actually prepared to hire you as a coach alone, but only as a part time player and part time coach. It isn't though GWS is showing them a whole lot of love either.

TigerMad said:
Can see both sides as their current club would be culpable if they left the door open and lost a top ten uncontracted player to GWS

Brisbane have already lost Richitelli and Brennan, and Mitch Clarke says he wants out. Power has been cut, but the Lions are trying to protect themselves from losing another player to GWS next year. Can hardly blame them.
 
Are Richmond 100% signing Morris as a F/S selection (subject to the bidding process of course)??