Steve Morris F/S

[tigs2010]

I am pretty sure that if we want m to nominate him as a F/S pick this cannot happen . F/S nominations are before trade week starts .

Correct. Its provided Morris wants to come too though which if he trained with us would appear he does.

 

[Sintiger]

Correct. Its provided Morris wants to come too though which if he trained with us would appear he does.

I can imagine that Port Adelaide and brisbane may well use this tactic and get a player for Brogan ,Cornes and Power . Probably a good way to satisfy both clubs

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

However, just means if true there's other interest in him. He's able to decline F/S and join Port if he wanted to stay in Adelaide for example. Would be a good bit of business by Port if they can offload a retiring player for a player they want and also get list protection from further raids next year from GWS.

Which is probably why GWS should tell them to go jump and just let Brogan nominate for the draft. Both Port and Brissy are trying this on players they already retired, good for them if they can do it but there is no reason why GWS should agree.

 

[brigadiertiger]

Is this bloke like the last 300 fathers/sons that have become superstars at punt Rd?
Bring back Bourke, Raines, Roach, Greig, Krakour, Zantack,
Have we ever had a good f/s?

Just because we have had some poor f/s in the past is no reason to not continue to use it if we can. We have had some horrific first round draft picks as well but no-one would advocate not using them in future.

If the club is keen to get him then the safest option is to f/s him and ensure that we get him. Fourth round picks are a lottery anyway so going down the f/s route will not make that much difference.

 

[FistFullOfDollars]

Is this bloke like the last 300 fathers/sons that have become superstars at punt Rd?
Bring back Bourke, Raines, Roach, Greig, Krakour, Zantack,
Have we ever had a good f/s?

Ever heard of a guy they called "Richo"? played a few games for us and kicked some goals if I remember correctly....

 

[Lennox Street]

I am pretty sure that if we want m to nominate him as a F/S pick this cannot happen . F/S nominations are before trade week starts .

They can prelist Morris as one of the concessions they have for guys who have previously nominated. They can then trade him. Same as Mzungu, Faulks, Krakouer etc last year.

 

[Smoking Aces]

Ever heard of a guy they called "Richo"? played a few games for us and kicked some goals if I remember correctly....

Or that bloke who wore number 11. He wasn't too bad.

 

[Ty Esler]

They can prelist Morris as one of the concessions they have for guys who have previously nominated. They can then trade him. Same as Mzungu, Faulks, Krakouer etc last year.

Father-son nominations happen first I think, West Coast got Jacob Brennan F/S last year even though he would have been eligible to sign with Gold Coast

 

[Sintiger]

Father-son nominations happen first I think, West Coast got Jacob Brennan F/S last year even though he would have been eligible to sign with Gold Coast

yes , I would be staggered if the prelisting took precedence over Father son . Same with Wallis and Liberatore as well as Brennan last year

 

[tigs2010]

yes , I would be staggered if the prelisting took precedence over Father son . Same with Wallis and Liberatore as well as Brennan last year

F/S comes first. Only if we don't take him or he doesn't want to be a F/S pick can he be pre-listed by GWS.

 

[TigerMasochist]

I can imagine that Port Adelaide and brisbane may well use this tactic and get a player for Brogan ,Cornes and Power . Probably a good way to satisfy both clubs

This is exactly the kind of crap clubs pull that makes me a total advocate for complete player free agency.
These players are uncontracted and their clubs have nudged/ pushed them out the door at the end of long and honorable careers. As soon as GWS sniffs around the garbage can looking for scraps and castoffs these miserable pricks of clubs start screaming rape and demanding compensation.

As far as I'm concerned a player has a contract and fulfills that contract then end of story, clubs don't own players like cattle or slaves, it's a business agreement.
Only if players or clubs wish to break an active contract should compensation or trades be possible, and the loophole of all player contracts extending to after the trade/ draft period is the first bit of *smile* that should be abolished. Contracts should cease when the playing season is over.

 

[Sintiger]

This is exactly the kind of crap clubs pull that makes me a total advocate for complete player free agency.
These players are uncontracted and their clubs have nudged/ pushed them out the door at the end of long and honorable careers. As soon as GWS sniffs around the garbage can looking for scraps and castoffs these miserable pricks of clubs start screaming rape and demanding compensation.

As far as I'm concerned a player has a contract and fulfills that contract then end of story, clubs don't own players like cattle or slaves, it's a business agreement.
Only if players or clubs wish to break an active contract should compensation or trades be possible, and the loophole of all player contracts extending to after the trade/ draft period is the first bit of *smile* that should be abolished. Contracts should cease when the playing season is over.

Whilst I have sympathy for that view there is another side to it TM . Player x goes to his club and says that he is tired and sick of injuries and pre seasons and wants to retire . The club agrees and that's what happens . A month later he ends up at the Giants for free to get around the restrictions on the uncontracted players rules .
That's what these rules are designed to avoid happening . Otherwise what is to stop ( say ) Tuck retiring and then turning up and the giants and RFC still being in a position to lose an uncontracted player ?

 

[Tiny S Tiger]

How many gun father sons play at any time? I can think of Murphy, Ablett, Scarlett as elite. What are the odds and is this concept realistic?

 

[shawry]

Whilst I have sympathy for that view there is another side to it TM . Player x goes to his club and says that he is tired and sick of injuries and pre seasons and wants to retire . The club agrees and that's what happens . A month later he ends up at the Giants for free to get around the restrictions on the uncontracted players rules .
That's what these rules are designed to avoid happening . Otherwise what is to stop ( say ) Tuck retiring and then turning up and the giants and RFC still being in a position to lose an uncontracted player ?

That is not what has occurred though Sintiger. these guys were basically told to retire by their clubs, being told they wouldn't get a game and to bow out the honourable way rather than looking as if they have been delisted. I feeel for these blokes. Definitely the case with Cornes, Brogan I ahve heard also the case.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Whilst I have sympathy for that view there is another side to it TM . Player x goes to his club and says that he is tired and sick of injuries and pre seasons and wants to retire . The club agrees and that's what happens . A month later he ends up at the Giants for free to get around the restrictions on the uncontracted players rules .
That's what these rules are designed to avoid happening . Otherwise what is to stop ( say ) Tuck retiring and then turning up and the giants and RFC still being in a position to lose an uncontracted player ?

Pretty simple Sinnerman. If Tucky's still under contract he can be released into retirement with a clause that says he can't play for anyone else until his contract period expires ( as should have been done with Mal Michael ) or we get compensated because he's still under contract.
If he's uncontracted and wants to go elsewhere it should be his right.
If he's contracted and we've pushed him out the door, he's a free agent and can go where he likes for free. There's no way we should be screaming for compo or protection from the blowflies or seagulls that come scavenging around the rubbish that we've thrown out the back door.

 

[GoodOne]

That is not what has occurred though Sintiger. these guys were basically told to retire by their clubs, being told they wouldn't get a game and to bow out the honourable way rather than looking as if they have been delisted. I feeel for these blokes. Definitely the case with Cornes, Brogan I ahve heard also the case.

I agree, it's a bit rich to ask them to retire and then claim compensation but why the 'feeling' for these blokes? If they're no longer wanted by their clubs (your career has to end sooner or later) then wouldn't be a positive for the player that they may be getting a chance to prolong their careers?

 

[Sintiger]

Pretty simple Sinnerman. If Tucky's still under contract he can be released into retirement with a clause that says he can't play for anyone else until his contract period expires ( as should have been done with Mal Michael ) or we get compensated because he's still under contract.
If he's uncontracted and wants to go elsewhere it should be his right.
If he's contracted and we've pushed him out the door, he's a free agent and can go where he likes for free. There's no way we should be screaming for compo or protection from the blowflies or seagulls that come scavenging around the rubbish that we've thrown out the back door.

Btw I know this is not what happened with brogan , Power etc . I am just talking in hypotheticals to make the point .

" If he's uncontracted and wants to go elsewhere it should be his right. " I understand but its open to abuse in these circumstances . I will use the hypothetical of Tuck for illustration . Lets say we wanted to offer him a one year deal and he said he wanted to retire but later we find he really wants to go to the Giants . In normal circumstances an uncontracted player would have to go into the draft or if he is intent on going to the giants he would have to be traded or the Giants could pick him up as an uncontracted player and we would get compensation . However what this brogan / Power situation allows is for a club to have a player to retire who they really want to keep when he actually wants to go to the Giants and they will get nothing .

That's the issue and why I think Port and Brisbane will get something for these guys . I am not saying they necessarily deserve it but that i expect it .

 

[Lennox Street]

yes , I would be staggered if the prelisting took precedence over Father son . Same with Wallis and Liberatore as well as Brennan last year

Wallis and Liberatore had not been in the draft pool before so not elligable for pre-listing.

 

[Ty Esler]

Wallis and Liberatore had not been in the draft pool before so not elligable for pre-listing.

Yes - Brennan was 20 when drafted so presumably had been through the draft before

 

[tigs2010]

This is exactly the kind of crap clubs pull that makes me a total advocate for complete player free agency.
These players are uncontracted and their clubs have nudged/ pushed them out the door at the end of long and honorable careers. As soon as GWS sniffs around the garbage can looking for scraps and castoffs these miserable pricks of clubs start screaming rape and demanding compensation.

As far as I'm concerned a player has a contract and fulfills that contract then end of story, clubs don't own players like cattle or slaves, it's a business agreement.
Only if players or clubs wish to break an active contract should compensation or trades be possible, and the loophole of all player contracts extending to after the trade/ draft period is the first bit of *smile* that should be abolished. Contracts should cease when the playing season is over.

Those players should turn around and ask for a contract at their clubs. That would be funny.