Steve Morris F/S

[Leysy Days]

I don't get the relevance comment. Are you suggesting Steve's not up to handling the pressure?

Not at all, he may well do.

Just saying that kicking in scratch games that your winning easily or at training is a different kettle of fish to kicking well when under intense pressure.

It doesnt really provide the evidence his kicking will stand up as yet. Hope he does though as he will fill a role we badly need.

Surley we should give him a break and judge his performance after 5 rounds than after a few scratch matches.

Who judging him?

 

[Big Cat Lover]

I don't get the relevance comment. Are you suggesting Steve's not up to handling the pressure?

I thought he was suggesting the pressure of Rd 1 v carlton might be different to Rd 4 NAB Cup v GWS. I think he might be right too.

Given the different rules, number of players able to play, different objectives of team etc pre-season form should be considered very warily.

 

[Lennox Street]

81% efficiency is pretty good. Perhaps not as bad a kick as had been made out?

He had 13 kicks and 13 handballs. If all his handballs were effective, his kicking would have had to been 8/13 = 62%. Which is about 13 points below what you'd expect from that back pocket guy with time in a low pressure game. Not saying that that is what happened; but Houli went at 91% because he had 9 kicks and 18 handballs and Tuck at 87% because he had 6 kicks and 17 handballs. Overall Disposal Efficiency is pointless - all it actually does is tell you handballs a lot.

 

[Tigers of Old]

81% efficiency is pretty good. Perhaps not as bad a kick as had been made out?

A few were here were criticising him based on earlier NAB outings. Either way lets just wait and see how he goes in the real stuff, it's too early to say yet how he'll go.

 

[Rosy]

I thought he was suggesting the pressure of Rd 1 v carlton might be different to Rd 4 NAB Cup v GWS. I think he might be right too.

Given the different rules, number of players able to play, different objectives of team etc pre-season form should be considered very warily.

Of course the pressure will be different. That hardly needs saying. It would be the same for several new players who've never been on the big stage before. Fact is we wouldn't have a clue how any of them will handle it. It seems Steve has impressed the coaches enough to at least be considered at the selection table. Far better to judge performance on it's merits rather than look for negatives. Has Steve given any indication he'll struggle in the real thing? Is he any less up to the pressure than the new kids being lauded for their pre-season performances?

 

[Leysy Days]

Of course the pressure will be different. That hardly needs saying. It would be the same for several new players who've never been on the big stage before. Fact is we wouldn't have a clue how any of them will handle it. It seems Steve has impressed the coaches enough to at least be considered at the selection table. Far better to judge performance on it's merits rather than look for negatives. Has Steve given any indication he'll struggle in the real thing? Is he any less up to the pressure than the new kids being lauded for their pre-season performances?

Dont think leysy was looking for negatives. Just saying that perhaps we were looking for false positives (i.e. disposal % in a scratchie against GWS).

& Steve himself has said his kicking is an area he needs to focus on, he can rush things at times with ball in hand. Hopefully it stands up, because he brings a lot else to the table.

FWIW Steve would also be in leysy's side for Rd 1. He looks best placed for what we have to curb the influence of Betts/Garlett.

 

[Rosy]

Dont think leysy was looking for negatives. Just saying that perhaps we were looking for false positives (i.e. disposal % in a scratchie against GWS).

What are "false positives" and who was looking for them? The stats are what they are. They mightn't paint a full story but the same criteria is used to measure every player. Steve had one of our higher efficiencies in the game. That's it.

 

[Tango]

Morris and Ellis will play round 1 as both are better options than white and day

Morris although not yet as polished as some would want has speed, endurance, strength and smarts and has the ability to keep a dangerous small in check

Ellis on the other hand is part of our future, he is a well balanced and well rounded player already

Dea has promise but is way behind IMO, white runs fast but after so many years in the system he is showing that he is a good depth player at best IMO along with similar players like Jackson and tuck who eventually will be replaced by arnott,

 

[Lennox Street]

What are "false positives" and who was looking for them? The stats are what they are. They mightn't paint a full story but the same criteria is used to measure every player. Steve had one of our higher efficiencies in the game. That's it.

And Tuck's was higher still, so presumably Tuck doesn't give the ball back to the opposition much?

 

[Scoop]

I thought he was suggesting the pressure of Rd 1 v carlton might be different to Rd 4 NAB Cup v GWS. I think he might be right too.

Given the different rules, number of players able to play, different objectives of team etc pre-season form should be considered very warily.

Agree. A GWS game in Canberra vs Round 1 at the MCG with 70k is like going from a maiden in Swan Hill to the Melbourne Cup in two weeks.

Morris’s attack on the ball is fantastic and his efforts defensively look like having a real impact but he must continue to get better with ball in hand.

But he should play Round 1. You don’t pick up guys like Morris to not test them right away.

 

[Rosy]

Morris’s attack on the ball is fantastic and his efforts defensively look like having a real impact but he must continue to get better with ball in hand.

What did he do actually wrong with the ball in his hand?

 

[Rosy]

And Tuck's was higher still, so presumably Tuck doesn't give the ball back to the opposition much?

What's the point of the question to me? The stats for ONE given game were mentioned. Did Tucky give the ball to the opposition in that game?

 

[Scoop]

What did he do actually wrong with the ball in his hand?

What? Steven himself has talked about needing to get better with his disposal and decision making. It’s no trade secret or conspiracy theory.

Saturday’s game shouldn’t be looked as a true indicator of AFL pressure or what we should expect from all of the players on a weekly basis.

It’s unfair to build up a young player based on that.

 

[Lennox Street]

It’s unfair to build up a young player based on that.

And that is the essence of it. A few of us see him as a squad player who might go OK when he gets his chance and are trying to keep some perspective. Others are pencilling him in as the answer to our problems of facing one of the most accomplished small forwards of his generation.

 

[Rosy]

Where has the post gone claiming Steve's disposal efficiency ranking shows he handballs a lot?

 

[Rosy]

What? Steven himself has talked about needing to get better with his disposal and decision making. It’s no trade secret or conspiracy theory.

I posted the stats for ONE game and said they looked respectable and Steven might be a player ready to slot in.

What was wrong with his disposal in that one particular game for you to feel the need to jump on board and question me?

Did he make the comments about needing better disposal before or after that game? Just because he says he needs to get better, as all of our players do, doesn't mean he can't have games with decent disposal.

Saturday’s game shouldn’t be looked as a true indicator of AFL pressure or what we should expect from all of the players on a weekly basis.

Has anybody actually done so?

It’s unfair to build up a young player based on that.

Yet again has anybody actually done so?

 

[Scoop]

What was wrong with his disposal in that one particular game for you to feel the need to jump on board and question me?

What? I never questioned or quoted you. You choose to ask me a question by quoting me.

And that is the essence of it. A few of us see him as a squad player who might go OK when he gets his chance and are trying to keep some perspective. Others are pencilling him in as the answer to our problems of facing one of the most accomplished small forwards of his generation.

And that’s my thoughts on Morris. He can help us but I don’t what people to expect what he did vs the GWS to think that is what he should do every week.

 

[Rosy]

What? I never questioned or quoted you. You choose to ask me a question by quoting me.

Readidng back I shouldn't have said jumped on board but you did quote me so I'd appreciate answers to the questions in response to that please.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Of course I haven't seen the game but Steve had pretty handy stats in Canberra last weekend.

26 possessions at a respectable 81% efficiency. 8 marks. 2 inside 50s. 3 1%ers. I behind. 84% time on ground. 90 dream team points. It seems like he's a ready made player who'll slot in straight away.

Rosy, this was your post.

Posters quite rightly suggested to temper your expectations based on stats in osolation from a pre-season game v GWS and you howl them down. Most posters highlighted the positives he brings.

As to whether he succeeds at the highest level will play out over the next season/(s).

 

[Rosy]

Rosy, this was your post.

Posters quite rightly suggested to temper your expectations based on stats in osolation from a pre-season game v GWS and you howl them down. Most posters highlighted the positives he brings.

As to whether he succeeds at the highest level will play out over the next season/(s).

What crap. Please tell me exactly what the expectations I need to temper are. As far as I'm aware I don't have any but it's not the first time you've tried to tell me what I think.

Others have agreed that Steve's a fair chance to play in Rd 1 and hope he does. I wouldn't have a clue if he will or not. All I suggested is he might be thereabouts for selection. Do you agree or disagree with that?

As to your last comment good onya for sharing that but it's certainly not a response to anything I suggested, thought about or had expectations in regard to.