shaun hampson threads [merged]

[tigertim]

http://richo.podbean.com/

Here's a podcast featuring CD's Glen Luff re. Hampson.

For a recap of discussions.


- Liam McBean performed exceptionally well at ground level and is clearly in the elite category for a 202cm forward.
- Reece Conca has outperformed the vast majority of pick 6's in his third year and already has a healthy 80 point CD average (not including injury affected matches)
- Shaun Hampson has the second best tap to advantage stats in the league over the past two seasons, with only Sandilands ahead of him.
- Tigers have an exceptional draw and will be pressing hard for a top 4 spot
- Anthony Miles appears to be a very astute selection in the tradition of Moneyball (a reference that Champion Data cheekily like to avoid and replace with their own trademark)
- Lennon looks like another inspired Francis Jackson pick, continuing his outstanding record of first rounders.

Thanks Bully. Not a 100% sure what Luffy is talking about but he was careful to state it as "hit outs to advantage in a CONTEST ..." Which sounds like a stat within a stat! Hampson had 70 hit outs in his 6 games in '13 and 240 in his 13 games in '12. Maybe it's HTA as a % because with 310 HO over 19 games in 2 seasons it surely can't he can't be as a total number.

 

[Baloo]

I think "to a contest" means they excluded all hitouts when Hampson was competing against The Gus Bus

 

[bullus_hit]

Thanks Bully. Not a 100% sure what Luffy is talking about but he was careful to state it as "hit outs to advantage in a CONTEST ..." Which sounds like a stat within a stat! Hampson had 70 hit outs in his 6 games in '13 and 240 in his 13 games in '12. Maybe it's HTA as a % because with 310 HO over 19 games in 2 seasons it surely can't he can't be as a total number.

I'm pretty certain it's % and not overall, I recall LTRTR posting some similar stats re. 2011 and Hampson was also ranked very high in the percentages, he also had plenty of time in the ruck that particular year.

 

[This Is Anfield]

Fair to say then that he gets his hand on it & knows how to direct it. Can take a grab as well.

 

[wayne]

I heard that Hampson gets his arms higher than almost everyone else in the competition.

You'd think he'd be dangerous up forward, I know he can drop some sitters, but he shouldn't be outmarked too often.

Hampson deep forward with McBean roving front and square!! >

 

[UKTiger]

He is a big athletic lump so he is going to have a real presence on the field. If he stays fit he is going to be some acquisition for the Tigers.

 

[Tigers of Old]

He's a man mountain.

 

[GEDS1]

Look you can only go on exposed form and from that unfortunately he is absolute rubbish. I'm praying that he comes good with us.

If you think i'm lying go and watch his tapes - except the one game v RFC.

 

[bullus_hit]

Look you can only go on exposed form and from that unfortunately he is absolute rubbish. I'm praying that he comes good with us.

If you think i'm lying go and watch his tapes - except the one game v RFC.

I've watched over an hour of Hampson highlights and I can conclude that he's a very good tap ruckman, he can take an excellent grab, his wingspan has the potential to be used to great effect, he rarely shirks the tough stuff and he can be very effective when resting up forward. The two big issues will be his kicking and his fitness. If he manages to return to his 2012 form then we have an absolute bargain on our hands, particularly if he can return to 70% accuracy in front of the big sticks.

 

[pahoffm]

Hampson's stats indicate that he'll be a handy 2nd ruckman, coming off the bench, and may kick the odd goal or two.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/S/Shaun_Hampson.html

As said a while ago, a Carlton person, in the know, told me that Hampson major flaw is a physical one, in that he lacks the lower body strength in his legs and core to meet 1-on-1 contested challenges in the ruck or in a pack. He doesn't have the physical strength to hold his ground.

The re-introduction of the no-contact rules in the ruck in 2013 by Geischen would help Hampson.
But, that might change with Campbell in Geischen's place.
Besides, the no-contact rucking rule doesn't help Maric, so we'd probably want to get rid of it anyway.

 

[GEDS1]

Bully I hope you are right and we have pulled off a heist but essentially it needs to be a different player to the one we have seen so far to be a steal. Not saying he can't be here's hoping.

 

[tigertim]

The only highlights video I've seen of Hampson was a very ordinary reel and even had to include VFL footage to bulk it up a bit.

 

[bullus_hit]

The only highlights video I've seen of Hampson was a very ordinary reel and even had to include VFL footage to bulk it up a bit.

Here's a good summary of Hampson's around the ground highlights. There's not too much in the way of tap work but the stats confirm he is one of the better tap ruckman going around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2UqUSx4mi8

 

[Leysy Days]

As said a while ago, a Carlton person, in the know, told me that Hampson major flaw is a physical one, in that he lacks the lower body strength in his legs and core to meet 1-on-1 contested challenges in the ruck or in a pack. He doesn't have the physical strength to hold his ground.

Your man is indeed in the know Phantom.

It is the major weakness in Hampson's game.

In short - he has no arse. As we know, A leysy hate.

 

[tigertim]

Just checked out some pro stats data on SH.

2013: came 41st in the ave HO per game @ 11.7 (hit outs to advantage not available )
2012: came 30th in the ave HO per game @ 18.5 (HOTA not available)
2011: came 20th in the ave HO per game @ 20.6. HOTA: 15th with an ave of 6.7 a game.
2010: came 27th in the ave HO per game @ 13.8 (HOTA not available)
2009: came 11th in the ave HO per game @ 19.2 HOTA 14th with an ave of 5.3 a game.
2008: came 39th in the ave HO per game @ 8.8 HOTA 41st with an ave of 2.2 a game.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Your man is indeed in the know Phantom.

It is the major weakness in Hampson's game.

In short - he has no arse. As we know, A leysy hate.

He has a model's arse, not a footballers. Of course the club knew this because there is plenty of game film on him where his athletic strengths and weaknesses are clear

 

[bullus_hit]

Just checked out some pro stats data on SH.

2013: came 41st in the ave HO per game @ 11.7 (hit outs to advantage not available )
2012: came 30th in the ave HO per game @ 18.5 (HOTA not available)
2011: came 20th in the ave HO per game @ 20.6. HOTA: 15th with an ave of 6.7 a game.
2010: came 27th in the ave HO per game @ 13.8 (HOTA not available)
2009: came 11th in the ave HO per game @ 19.2 HOTA 14th with an ave of 5.3 a game.
2008: came 39th in the ave HO per game @ 8.8 HOTA 41st with an ave of 2.2 a game.

The important stat here is the overall percentage, particularly given Hampson has been competing with Warnock & Kreuzer for ruck time.

In 2011, 32.5% of his taps were to advantage, that is definitely in the elite category. Anything over 30% is going gangbusters, and given his last 2 years were bettered only by Sandilands, I think it's fair to say we have a very accomplished tap ruckman on our hands.

The other stat worth noting is his 15.4 goal kicking performance in 2012, at an average of 1.2 goals a game. This is the benchmark that needs to be set for Shaun, both in terms of accuracy and scoreboard impact.

As for concerns about his rump, I won't argue with Leysy on such matters, but I will say that Hampster is one of the quickest ruckmen going around, very few 200cm guys can run a sub 3 sec 20 metre and this goes some way to making up for the lack of core strength. Most of his grabs will either be on the lead or outstretching his opponent. With his impressive pace, getting separation shouldn't be too difficult, if the opposition put a fleet footed defender on him, he will almost always have a height advantage. No matter how you look at it, he will be a very difficult match-up, particularly if we have Vickery & McBean all playing together.

 

[tigertim]

The important stat here is the overall percentage, particularly given Hampson has been competing with Warnock & Kreuzer for ruck time.

In 2011, 32.5% of his taps were to advantage, that is definitely in the elite category. Anything over 30% is going gangbusters, and given his last 2 years were bettered only by Sandilands, I think it's fair to say we have a very accomplished tap ruckman on our hands.

Actually I thought % doesn't tell the story. If a ruck gets 1 hit out a game and it's to advantage...that's 100%. I think the averages show more meaning.

This thing about him being second to Sandilands over 2012/13 for HTA percentage seems a bit strange yo me when he only played 6 games in 13. Hard to make a meaningful assessment with only 6 games. Btw, I'd love to know why Champion data haven't made HTA accessible since 2011.

Hampson certainly is athletic I'll give him that.

 

[bullus_hit]

Actually I thought % doesn't tell the story. If a ruck gets 1 hit out a game and it's to advantage...that's 100%. I think the averages show more meaning.

Three seasons is a very large sample, it's certainly big enough to establish whether he knows how to ruck or not. He'll never be pulling in numbers like Minson or Goldstein because he will never be rucking 90% of the time. You can't mark a guy down due to lack of opportunity. If anything, Hampson's best position is as a primary ruckman.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Three seasons is a very large sample, it's certainly big enough to establish whether he knows how to ruck or not. He'll never be pulling in numbers like Minson or Goldstein because he will never be rucking 90% of the time. You can't mark a guy down due to lack of opportunity. If anything, Hampson's best position is as a primary ruckman.

And Carlton has almost always played two rucks when Hampson played, which has artificially depressed his hitout stats