shaun hampson threads [merged]

[leon]

Just retire so we can all move on from this disaster of a trade.

Undoubtedly or very likely hurt the back from carrying our ruck in 2016. Such gracious, fairweather, ultra-negative fans (or flogs?) such as you make anyone real proud to represent our club.

BTW, how many games did you put your body on the line for RFC? Love to hear about your gutsy playing record.

Given his service, especially over 2016, has been fair value. Wisdom-of-hindsight calls can be made over every pick a club makes. Look at the millions of posts that mean jacksh!t in reality.

 

[leon]

Yep. Just the club and Leon hoping that he can somehow turn his lack of football ability around.

You mean, compared to your astounding football ability?

 

[leon]

A cardboard cutout of Lobb would've been a better deal this clown.
Griffens and him would go down as the worse 2 talls I've ever seen play for the club.

I'd back your authority on clowns above anybody else's on PRE.

 

[jb03]

You mean, compared to your astounding football ability?

I am sure Hampson is a better player than me, but Richmond didn't give away pick 28 for me either. No sugarcoating can mask what a diabolically poor trade the Hampson trade has been.

 

[leon]

I am sure Hampson is a better player than me, but Richmond didn't give away pick 28 for me either. No sugarcoating can mask what a diabolically poor trade the Hampson trade has been.

I'm not just sure ... certain, because he played 20 AFL games in 2016 and won or broke even in 12 games. What about your record? See Inside Football PRs:

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/111672/Shaun-HAMPSON

It became pick 32. As Willo posted for your digestion - ' ... in effect we got Hampson Carlton got Everitt and Giles.' Think we won that one (again).
Pick 33 is irrelevant. So what in fact are you talking about? Maybe you've overdosed on the superlatives and have diabolical reflux?

 

[Baron Samedi]

Hampson is a potato.

 

[tigertim]

I am sure Hampson is a better player than me, but Richmond didn't give away pick 28 for me either. No sugarcoating can mask what a diabolically poor trade the Hampson trade has been.

Diabolical indeed. Largely ineffective for 2014 & 2015 then improved to mediocre in 2016. Injuries and the arrival of Nankervis will see revert to ineffective for 2017.

 

[achillesjones]

Hampson is a potato.

That about sums it up for me too.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Thing that annoys me most about the Hamster deal and to a large extent Ivvy as well, is the age that we traded these fringe players in. While Ivvy gave some pretty good service initially, he's pretty well shot after four decent seasons plus struggletown last year, now it looks like Hamster is continuing with a raft of injury issues after not a real lot of performance, one reasonable year and some almost nearly is poor return.
There's never a guarantee with any player but at least with Nankervis, he's of an age where he's done the basic development ground work and should be entering his productive years. We should be able to expect an eight to ten year career from him in Tiger colours, rather than three to five maximum.

 

[Bill James]

I'm not just sure ... certain, because he played 20 AFL games in 2016 and won or broke even in 12 games. What about your record? See Inside Football PRs:

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/111672/Shaun-HAMPSON

It became pick 32. As Willo posted for your digestion - ' ... in effect we got Hampson Carlton got Everitt and Giles.' Think we won that one (again).
Pick 33 is irrelevant. So what in fact are you talking about? Maybe you've overdosed on the superlatives and have diabolical reflux?

If you base output on hitouts he could be MVP, but some of us watch what happens after the hot out. Bit like a Houli possession.

 

[leon]

If you base output on hitouts he could be MVP, but some of us watch what happens after the hot out. Bit like a Houli possession.

Are you saying his hit-outs are too 'hot' to handle? Or expecting him to win the 'hot out' and rove it too. Right, I get it! He hits a 'hot out', gathers it himself, deflects a few tacklers, runs it 30m, taking 2 bounces, then dobs a goal from just inside 50. (You and Chops are of the same school clearly)

Yep, didn't see him do that too often. He's definitely an abject failure then.

..... But I've been pondering this. So what other rucks really do this? And what are all the mids doing in the meantime?

PS - Last time I checked, a HO is not a possession; Houli style or not.

 

[UKTiger]

Like in 2016, Mr.Fount of Football Knowledge?

I do apologise, I didn't know I wasn't allowed an opinion.
Besides Hampson was our only fit ruck in 2016 and even then at best he was a tap ruckman with limited use around the ground

 

[leon]

Thing that annoys me most about the Hamster deal and to a large extent Ivvy as well, is the age that we traded these fringe players in. While Ivvy gave some pretty good service initially, he's pretty well shot after four decent seasons plus struggletown last year, now it looks like Hamster is continuing with a raft of injury issues after not a real lot of performance, one reasonable year and some almost nearly is poor return.
There's never a guarantee with any player but at least with Nankervis, he's of an age where he's done the basic development ground work and should be entering his productive years. We should be able to expect an eight to ten year career from him in Tiger colours, rather than three to five maximum.

Definitely fair criticism of the club, but picking up Hampson at that age, as insurance, was a valid decision, based on the need for him in 2016. Who knows how serious his back injury is, but club says no surgery required, so he might be fit second half of the season. Still in his prime with maybe a couple of years left, reflected in re-contracted until 2018.

Your comment on Nankervis is pointed too - that's why he needs support so not burnt out early like Eevan. Couldn't watch the game today but the verdict on Soldo still seems mixed. Reckon we are still poorly equipped in the ruck division compared to clubs like e.g. Swans and Cats (at full strength)

PS - But came back to add; delighted to hear good reports on Chol, except for comments saying still lacks a tank. We need him and Soldo to come on; not much ruck depth without a fit Hampson. But like Cholly drifting up forward a lot.

 

[tigerdave]

Hopefully he's had enough by years end!

 

[leon]

I do apologise, I didn't know I wasn't allowed an opinion.
Besides Hampson was our only fit ruck in 2016 and even then at best he was a tap ruckman with limited use around the ground

You're welcome to your opinion, it's your factual knowledge I was shedding light upon. You stated he should go back to his VFL duties. Don't think he played one game there in 2016, all AFL, so illogical. Maybe you could qualify your statements e.g. '... like in 2015.'

Otherwise, please yourself. Slagging guys off on a forum, who have copped an injury, is a courageous blood-sport for many. Go for it!

 

[Bill James]

Are you saying his hit-outs are too 'hot' to handle? Or expecting him to win the 'hot out' and rove it too. Right, I get it! He hits a 'hot out', gathers it himself, deflects a few tacklers, runs it 30m, taking 2 bounces, then dobs a goal from just inside 50. (You and Chops are of the same school clearly)

Yep, didn't see him do that too often. He's definitely an abject failure then.

..... But I've been pondering this. So what other rucks really do this? And what are all the mids doing in the meantime?

PS - Last time I checked, a HO is not a possession; Houli style or not.

His hitouts don't go to advantage. That's why we don't win as many clearances when he rucks. Pretty simple math.

 

[leon]

Just another source based on 2016 games with game rating /10 at end. I guess partly opinion/ partly factual:

Rd. 8 Syd Took most of the ruck duties and tapwork very good when it mattered despite low general stats. 6
Rd. 9 Frem Rucked well. Won 12 of the 20 centre bounce hit outs. 6
Rd. 10 Ess Three kicks but did have 10 hit-outs to advantage. Team still lost clearances. 3
Rd. 11 NM Dominated ruck duels with 51 taps, but North always won ball at his feet. 5
Rd. 12 GCS Got the better of ruck duel with Nicholls and pressed forward for key mark and goal. 6
Rd. 14 Bris Had the better of Martin in ruck early but the Lion got on top later. Injured knee in dying minutes. 6
Rd. 15 Knee.
Rd. 16 WB Won the ruck battle. Had 14 hit-outs to advantage and took four marks. 7
Rd. 17 Ess Got the better of ruck duel with Leuenberger for 40 hit-outs but hampered at stages. 7
Rd. 18 Haw Battled hard for his team. Had 16 hit-outs to advantage so did his job. 6
Rd. 19 GWS Ruck work was solid (37 hit-outs) despite limited influence around the ground. 5
Rd. 20 Coll Beaten early but recovered after half time in the ruck. Stats modest. 4
Rd. 21 Geel Great game. Had 11 hit-outs to advantage and took some towering marks. 7

These are from Player Ratings stats on SEN website. I simply wanted to find some more specific data. Not saying these are great, just another interesting view. But often the verdict is that Hammer did win HOTA but team still didn't win CLRs e.g. rounds 10 & 11 et al.

 

[leon]

His hitouts don't go to advantage. That's why we don't win as many clearances when he rucks. Pretty simple math.

Highly simplistic response. Dodged key points raised.

 

[Bill James]

Highly simplistic response. Dodged key points raised.

There is one key issue, we don't take the ball away from the contest as often he rucks.

 

[leon]

There is one key issue, we don't take the ball away from the contest as often he rucks.

Well, so what then? We won CLRs and HOs today, but were pantsed for most of the game it appears. Less Ds by 97! Down by 50+ pts at stages.

Unless you talk up the final margin, but Buckley claims they were just trying a few things for the last 40 minutes or so. Unable to watch the game, so hard to interpret much, except a lot of negative posts.