shaun hampson threads [merged]

[leon]

If you're trying to open a can, and someone hands you a glass can opener, you can either grit your teeth and cut your hands to shreds, or go to the shed and see if another tool might do the job.

Or you can pull the ring-top.

 

[Willo]

Or you can pull the ring-top.

;D

 

[Coburgtiger]

Or you can pull the ring-top.

If you were lucky enough to have a ring top, a gawn, a Mumford, even a Blicavs that snaps off in your hand, sure, go for it. If you don't, you need to get creative rather than just sticking to the one true plan while you go hungry.

 

[Sintiger]

The argument that Leon often brings to the table is that no-one else on our list could have done better and therefore Hampson deserves to be first ruck. I don't think many are arguing that point

Some are TL. Given that Hampson is so ineffective around the ground I think we would have been better having no recognised ruckman and played Vickery and Griffiths in the ruck in 2016. Others have argued that as well.

Hampson is the best player we have in the ruck contests but not the best in the ruckman/follower role imo.

 

[5SKULL5]

On the Ivan dynamic of (was it 2013?), he didn't jump at the CBs. So he could keep his feet and block or gather at ground level to set up close-to-the-fall clearances. Carlton deployed in that final to tap the ball cleanly to space (away from Richmond's plan) and destroy the match. So that tactic was exposed.

Ivan's job was only to hit the elbow of the opposing ruck (don't be too literal - or nostalgic), bring it to the ground and he had to be the biggest mid at the fall. He did that really well. But it was one-dimensional and certain to be picked apart at a crucial time. It was picked apart after half time in that Carlton final. Warnock was useless for most of his career but he was the antidote to our CB set up after half time. Nine clearances to Bryce Gibbs.

We needed a counter to the usually lame Warnock threat. Just somebody who could touch the ball in the air. Somebody like Hampson. (But preferably better.)

We got Hampson. So, yeah. Nah. Not ideal.

2017 be an interesting year in the life of the Hamster career.

There's not doubt we're changing his role and we're changing our midfield set up. Hampervan improved markedly in 2016 but still wasn't there. Nankervis is a very raw prospect. I guess neither is a premiership ruckman as it stands. Not even a #2.

But sometimes when a team gets beat the gimp gets too much blame. Hampson has been that gimp on and off. He's not the core problem. Not to say he's not a weakness.

2017 will see new dynamics and through them we can observe just how much Hampson was the clearance blockage of 2016 and how much a lack of midfield clearance power was central.

Interesting times. (We live in them.)

Much of what you said is correct about that final in 2013.
The only thing I'd add to it is, how many times in the last quarter the field umpire bouncing the ball in the centre square fluffed the bounce.
Which meant that there was a resulting throw up of the sherrin. That was were Warnock dominated over Maric.

 

[tigerlove]

Did it take you two weeks to think this up?

Umm no, I have a life, I was on holidays, another totally unnecessary comment.

Directly above in your first post, you state: "... despite leon's constant drivel ..." Not an 'aggressive, derogatory posting style' by any chance?
But, of course, you 'happen to think though that people should respect others.'
Then you go, "... blah blah blah. It's all baloney." I could get offended here. Get off your high horse, TL, you don't practice what you preach clearly. There's a name for that.

Yawn! Seriously you have some issues you need to resolve. Are you like this in person as well or is it warrior keyboard syndrome? My point was if you leave out the derogatory commentary you won't get the same back. Just post normally like the rest of us. Stop the abusive adjectives, you'll feel a lot better within afterwards, I promise you.

As for the final paragraph, I had responded to your earlier post where you provided loaded stats with biased interpretation, to attempt to convince everyone of your position. I, for one, disagreed and sought to expose these flimsy arguments. Mostly I simply dispute posts that are blatantly derogatory without much realistic evidence. Like yours. But good to see you now agree with my overall position.

No my stats weren't loaded, they were raw, based on the top 12 ruckmen by hit outs clearly showing Hampson on the bottom or close to the bottom of many items on the list. It wasn't a flimsy argument and it wasn't derogatory and it had realistic evidence. Just because you happen to disagree with the facts of these doesn't make it all the above.

I agree with your overall position that Hampson was the best we had last year, I have always agreed with that. But you know you have not just been arguing this in the past, it's been your fall back line.

I was a total supporter of the club's recruitment of Nankervis as our ruck depth is truly thin now after losing 3 talls. He offers something different: a few more HBs, but less than half the HOs, more tackles but H actually takes more marks. However, expect we'll play both allowing Griffiths to play almost entirely forward. The AFL curtailing of 3rd man up may well assist Hampson too.

I agree with most of this. No doubt Nankervis is the one to replace Maric as the backup. My hope is that he can improve to be our clear first ruck by the end of the season with Hampson playing more as the backup role. This will strengthen our team.

 

[lukeanddad]

Some are TL. Given that Hampson is so ineffective around the ground I think we would have been better having no recognised ruckman and played Vickery and Griffiths in the ruck in 2016. Others have argued that as well.

I would rather Hampson winning in the ruck and ineffectual around the ground, than Vickery who was actually a negative influence in the ruck and close to ineffectual elsewhere.

We are placing a lot of faith in what Nank can bring to the table.

 

[Sintiger]

I would rather Hampson winning in the ruck and ineffectual around the ground, than Vickery who was actually a negative influence in the ruck and close to ineffectual elsewhere.

We are placing a lot of faith in what Nank can bring to the table.

We didn't try it and we should have. The bulldogs actually won a flag with two KPPs in Roughead and Boyd interchanging in the ruck. Before 2016 Vickery and Griffiths had arguably done as much if not more in their careers than those two. Boyd was playing VFL and Roughead was playing ok footy as a key defender.

Apart from the odd cameo up forward Griffiths has played some of his best footy as a marking follower imo.

I don't have any great expectations of Nankervis except that he hopefully does more outside the ruck contest than Hampson and to be honest that isn't a very high expectation.

 

[ahyeahnah]

We didn't try it and we should have. The bulldogs actually won a flag with two KPPs in Roughead and Boyd interchanging in the ruck. Before 2016 Vickery and Griffiths had arguably done as much if not more in their careers than those two. Boyd was playing VFL and Roughead was playing ok footy as a key defender.

Apart from the odd cameo up forward Griffiths has played some of his best footy as a marking follower imo.

I don't have any great expectations of Nankervis except that he hopefully does more outside the ruck contest than Hampson and to be honest that isn't a very high expectation.

I like Nankervis. He reminds me of a fgresh version of Maric with the aggression of Greg Stafford

 

[tigertim]

We look so much better without Hampy on the field, thank god for Nankervis.

 

[UKTiger]

I trust Hampson has been watching Nanks to see how a modern ruckman has to have skills are round the park.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Just announced he's on the LTI list due his back problems. No surgery.

Soldo is auditioning this weekend.

 

[bullus_hit]

Just announced he's on the LTI list due his back problems. No surgery.

Soldo is auditioning this weekend.

At least we planned for this, Nank now becomes our most important recruit.

 

[Dyer'ere]

At least we planned for this, Nank now becomes our most important recruit.

We're light on, Bully. FMD Griffens. We need Soldo to come on. If he does it'll be a boon.

 

[waiting]

Totally agree.

Becomes OUR MOST important player now. Going to be a long season for him.

 

[BiddiscombeSkills]

Elton needs to be given VFL ruck duties, stat

 

[Bullarto Tiger]

I wish Hampson well in his recovery from back complaints. Other than as a potential back-up, I was thinking that it would be best for the Tigers if Hampson spent the bulk of the season running around in the VFL team. The opportunity for another player now presents itself and that, in my opinion, isn't such a bad thing for the Club.

 

[UKTiger]

Elton needs to be given VFL ruck duties, stat

He needs a heart transplant before considering him for rucking duties

 

[UKTiger]

No one deserves to be injured but imo Hampson out will not in anyway downgrade our chances of success this season. Hopefully he will recover and resume his duties at VFL level

 

[easy_tiger]

glad we kept Evarn.