antman said:You too Carts!
All the best,
Mr T.
ah, now that's my kind of post 8- well played Antman!
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ah, now that's my kind of post 8- well played Antman!
leon said:
The reason our midfield is rated so low on that list is because they include Hampson as part of the midfield group. Because rucks are supposed to contribute in the midfield.
Interesting they just assume Hampson will be replaced by Nankervis.
leon said:
We were ranked 9th when Ivan was first ruck.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-29/the-afls-best-midfields-in-2016-where-does-your-team-rank
Hopefully Nankervis will be selected round one, because with his Mumford/Maric style of play and the inclusion into the midfield of Pretia, Caddy and hopefully Flossy our midfield can be more than competitive.
leon said:
You literally just posted that opinion piece suggesting our midfield was a problem, but not Hampson, though when it became clear we were more highly rated without Hampson, it becomes 'some kid journos opinion'.
The truth is out there
Maric rucking 2014 AFL positive win loss ratio
Maric rucking 2015 AFL positive win loss ratio
Maric rucking 2016 VFL positive win loss ratio
Hampson rucking 2014 VFL negative win loss ratio
Hampson rucking 2014 AFL negative win loss ratio
Hampson rucking 2015 VFL negative win loss ratio
Hampson rucking 2016 AFL negative win loss ratio
Maric rucking 2014 AFL positive win loss ratio
Maric rucking 2015 AFL positive win loss ratio
Maric rucking 2016 VFL positive win loss ratio
Hampson rucking 2014 VFL negative win loss ratio
Hampson rucking 2014 AFL negative win loss ratio
Hampson rucking 2015 VFL negative win loss ratio
Hampson rucking 2016 AFL negative win loss ratio
Correlation does not equal causation Sheepy-poo.
No doubt in his prime Ivan was a better ruckman all round the ground than hammer.
More to do with general drop off of the playing group plus game-plan being left wanting.
Mind you a gun ruckman who is forward, back and sideways would be awesome
Hope Hammer has a breakout year this year :coolsanta :coolsanta :coolsanta
No doubt in his prime Ivan was a better ruckman all round the ground than hammer.
More to do with general drop off of the playing group plus game-plan being left wanting.
Mind you a gun ruckman who is forward, back and sideways would be awesome
Hope Hammer has a breakout year this year :coolsanta :coolsanta :coolsanta
Baloo said:
Yes, I'm convinced now. It's great that Lamby's 'Correlation does not equal causation' stats have completely settled the issue. Hardwick is totally blameless; all failures in 2016 were all Hampson's fault.
Thus, I expect Nankervis will assume the ruck duties hereafter fully and permanently. If this is the simple panacea, happy to go along with such insight.
Looking forward to premiership in '17 led by Dimma and Nank.
Coburgtiger said:
It might appear that way, yes. But it's pretty clear that our midfield had a very average to poor year. So did the defence and forward line for that matter. If you really want to find the statistical evidence, sure you can manage to find it. It's documented; easy to dig up the facts.
My point is that it's not so much due to any one player. Secondly, that these articles are about selling the papers or providing click-bait in the off-season. I don't rate these journos' opinions too highly. Their total back-flip on the Dogs and GWS, now with the wisdom of hindsight, proves that. Their estimation of RFC's new midfield could be way out too, as I said, and hope. I think it's hard to get a bead on a midfield that's never played together, for anyone.
So 2016 is proven poor; 2017 is a hypothetical ATM.
I think you guys are missing the point of my 'correlation stats'.
2014 was a clear guide, Ivvy injured first 9 games, Hammer is a disaster.
Ivvy comes back - 9 in a row.
Richmond VFL team are perennial losers when Hampson rucks. Ivvy rucks - they win more than they lose.
It's not that Ivan is still majestic but that the Hampson handicap is so enormous.
2014 was a clear guide, Ivvy injured first 9 games, Hammer is a disaster.
Ivvy comes back - 9 in a row.
Richmond VFL team are perennial losers when Hampson rucks. Ivvy rucks - they win more than they lose.
It's not that Ivan is still majestic but that the Hampson handicap is so enormous.
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Bill James
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No offense but that's patent drivel. Edwards and Cotchin averaged the same disposals as last year. Ellis is two per game worse, Miles is one down. Dusty had his best season by a light year and Grigg had his best year since 2012. In short the midfield as a whole had the same output or slightly better than last year. We change one player in the midfield, the ruckman, and our clearances plummet. If you cant connect the dots, just watch the replays, he does not hit the ball to advantage and rarely clears it himself.leon said:
Also rarely does any body work on the opposition mids to help create time n space for ours. Not a big fan of the Hamster, but he's pretty much all we've got n with Ivvy pretty much cooked, I'm hoping the big Nank can develop up into a level somewhere between Ivvy n Big Mummy as a ruckman. If he does we'll have a good one.Bill James said:
Baron Samedi said:
Just look at the final ladder, conceded 2155 pts. Only ahead of 3 teams - Suns (2273), Dopers (2356) and Lions (2872).
Rance was brilliant, with some support from Grimes, Vlastuin et al, but a really leaky defence this year.
If that's OK, would hate to have a bad year.
