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shaun hampson threads [merged]

should We Recruit Him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 106 33.8%
  • No

    Votes: 173 55.1%
  • Cheese Sandwich / Don't Care

    Votes: 35 11.1%

  • Total voters
    314
It's as simple as you like.

If your ruckman doesn't help your team win clearances and doesn't offer anything else around the ground, you don't play him.

If you don't have another ruck option (which we did without even going too far out the box - Griffiths or Vickery or both - clearance numbers either the same and better and offer more around the he ground) then you get creative. That is an extra player in your 22. They can't be useless dead weight just because you like seeing big men jump. Play an extra mid and rove and tackle. Play an extra forward and circulate your talls through the centre. Play a young tall in the ruck.

Do something. Don't be content with a ruckman who had no benefit to the team, just because he's the best at getting hit outs. It's irrelevant unless it can be converted into clearances regardless of whether that's the ruckmans or the midfields fault. You don't play a player that has absolutely zero strengths you can capitalise on tactically.

Which is why you don't play Hammer in the ruck just because he gets tap outs, you don't play Jacob Townsend in the centre just because he leads with his head, you don't play Steve Morris in the forward line because he does star jumps with intensity, and you don't play Taylor Hunt in the back line because he runs hard.

Hampson will offer no benefit in the centre and be useless at everything else. Townsend will never help us get the ball, and be useless at everything else. Steve Morris will never pressure their backline, and be useless at every thing else. And Taylor Hunt will never be a link option and be useless at everything else.

Thing is, the coaching staff obviously have a plan that requires these role players, so they continually try to jam a square peg into a round hole. They need a tap ruckman in their plan so they insist on playing one even when he's useless.

A good coach uses the strengths of the cattle at his disposal, and designs tactics based around that.

Our coach uses the tactics at his disposal and tries to design players around that. To our evident success.
 
Coburgtiger said:
A good coach uses the strengths of the cattle at his disposal, and designs tactics based around that.

disagree.
a good coach decides what style of footy is most likely to win a premiership and picks the players he has who can play that style and has recruiters who pick players who can play that style.

a coach designing tactics around their team may win an extra game or two, but it wont help win a premiership. imo.
 
Brodders17 said:
disagree.
a good coach decides what style of footy is most likely to win a premiership and picks the players he has who can play that style and has recruiters who pick players who can play that style.

a coach designing tactics around their team may win an extra game or two, but it wont help win a premiership. imo.

I see your point. In our circumstance though, the coach had had enough time to herd his cattle. There comes a point where you stop butting your head against the wall and play to your strengths. You have to be able to succeed with the hand your dealt.

If you only have one gameplan, and it requires a specific set of players that are obviously too difficult to find, then you aren't ever going to see success.

Fair enough to have a basic outline you want to adhere too, but you need flexibility and creativity to tweak and adjust for the specific group you have.

Any coach can win with their dream list.
 
Cotchin, B Ellis and Martin could all be offensive guns if it wasn't for Dimma.

Hardwick hasn't coached to maximise potential of this list.
 
Yay, now we've got bash Dimma on the Hamster thread. Did we run out of pages on the other thread?
 
TigerMasochist said:
Yay, now we've got bash Dimma on the Hamster thread. Did we run out of pages on the other thread?

it is probably an improvement on the discussion about Hampson....
 
TigerMasochist said:
Yay, now we've got bash Dimma on the Hamster thread. Did we run out of pages on the other thread?

It's mark of how unpopular Dimma is when he gets beaten up on the Hampson thread
 
TigerMasochist said:
Yay, now we've got bash Dimma on the Hamster thread. Did we run out of pages on the other thread?

It's pretty difficult to discuss the motivations of selecting a player without discussing the motivations of the people /person selecting him. There are a lot of coaches who would not have played him this year.
 
BrisTiger24 said:
It's mark of how unpopular Dimma is when he gets beaten up on the Hampson thread

If he was that unpopular it would be happening on every thread by everyone, not just a small repetitive group who seem more intent on trying to prove how much smarter than everyone else they are.
 
Baloo said:
If he was that unpopular it would be happening on every thread by everyone, not just a small repetitive group who seem more intent on trying to prove how much smarter than everyone else they are.
Do you realise you've just encouraged that group to go and hijack every other thread with their "sack the coach" mantra?
 
YinnarTiger said:
Do you realise you've just encouraged that group to go and hijack every other thread with their "sack the coach" mantra?

Is there really that many hours in a day?
 
YinnarTiger said:
Do you realise you've just encouraged that group to go and hijack every other thread with their "sack the coach" mantra?

Poor old Yinnerz. Cheer up Charlie :hihi
 
Baloo said:
If he was that unpopular it would be happening on every thread by everyone, not just a small repetitive group who seem more intent on trying to prove how much smarter than everyone else they are.

Drat. People aren't actually posting off-topic are they??!

Stay calm. The dizziness should pass shortly.
 
I generally find it takes less time to read words than to write them, but I suppose you could cut some corners by reducing the quality of the writing. Reusing the same thoughts over and over might help somewhat too.
 
antman said:
I generally find it takes less time to read words than to write them, but I suppose you could cut some corners by reducing the quality of the writing. Reusing the same thoughts over and over might help somewhat too.

Happy New Year Mr T!!
 
Trying to get back on topic, or close. Article on that website still rates the supposedly re-invigorated, prospective Tiger midfield as only 15th in the game:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-12-31/who-has-the-best-mids

This is the problem if at all accurate. Won't matter so much who is No. 1 ruck if mids still not good enough to take advantage. Think it might be biased though myself, but what impact Prestia and Caddy et al will make is unknown at present.
 
Baron Samedi said:
Happy New Year Mr T!!

You too Carts!

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All the best,

Mr T.