shaun hampson threads [merged]

[leon]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

I'd like to see us target a more we'll rounded footballer , I'd hazard a guess we could snare one from the state leagues (ie Russ Gabriel) in the rookie draft. Low cost financially and low cost draft pîck.

Hey, Tigertim, just happened to stumble across your first post on this thread. Probably very perspicacious, but who on earth was Russ Gabriel?

How's his AFL career going? I'm wondering if he's changed names or something?

 

[tigertim]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

Hey, Tigertim, just happened to stumble across your first post on this thread. Probably very perspicacious, but who on earth was Russ Gabriel?

How's his AFL career going? I'm wondering if he's changed names or something?

His career is going about as well as yours on PRE.......

 

[leon]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

His career is going about as well as yours on PRE.......

I'm thriving thanks, Tim, lots of correspondents. But what about Russ? Not answering the question, Timmy.

 

[tigertim]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

I'm thriving thanks, Tim, lots of correspondents. But what about Russ? Not answering the question, Timmy.

He's a triple b&f winner, a Brownlow medalist and hall of famer.

 

[leon]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

He's a triple b&f winner, a Brownlow medalist and hall of famer.

In some sheer fantasy team of your imagination, TT? Hammer had arguably best ever season, two-year contract extension, and married to Megsy. Looks like he's living it, not dreaming it.

Just admit you're way out wrong, Timmy, or .... deluded.

 

[tigertim]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

In some sheer fantasy team of your imagination, TT? Hammer had arguably best ever season, two-year contract extension, and married to Megsy. Looks like he's living it, not dreaming it.

Just admit you're way out wrong, Timmy, or .... deluded.

Yes I'm deluded but I'm never wrong Leon, you know that.

 

[leon]

Even if one and the same thing? But time to let you off the hook now ... or peg.

 

[Sintiger]

I've forgotten what this thread is about...

As an aside the 2016 premiers decided in the end to play without a recognised ruckman and won a flag with Boyd and Roughead tag teaming. I wondered a few times this season whether we would have been better off playing Griffiths and Vickery as the two rucks and played an extra forward or midfielder given that Hammer gives so little around the field.

Vickery is gone now but imo it is too hard to carry a player these days who contributes little outside the ruck contest.

 

[Leysy Days]

Said many times would loved to have seen it Sin.

Long thought number 1 ruck would be Griffs best position.

Alas our nostradamus coach couldnt see the sense in trialling such a move even when season gone.

Instead we have 3 number 1 rucks who cant play anywhere else on the senior list ahead of an untried Griff.

 

[Rancey18]

Quite symptomatic of our football departments inability to see ahead of the game.

With the interchange cap and sub rule changes, it wasn't rocket science to see a ruckman who could impact around the ground and up forward would become important.

Meanwhile we signed Maric for another year.

We are always well behind the competition. We copy the successful rather than be the trailblazers, leaving us a year or two behind the rest of the comp.

 

[tommystigers]

We are always well behind the competition. We attempt to copy the successful, and fail miserably, rather than be the trailblazers, leaving us a year or two behind the rest of the comp.

Fixed it for ya, Tross.

 

[Bill James]

Quality response; discerning post. Mumford shades him in a couple of key areas but overall, they're not that far apart. The gap is not as wide as many want to think and Mummy is rated No. 5 in the AFL. So what happened when they played, TL? Sure you'd love to tell us. Despite our side getting an absolute shellacking#, Mumford = 0 Ks, 16 HBs, 3 Ms, 28 HOs, 4 Ts, AF - 76. Hampson = 5 Ks, 5 HBs, 5 Ms, 37 HOs, 3 Ts, AF - 83. [AFL match report]

Could you give us your considered opinion on the outcome based on these stats, TL. I cannot figure them out.

Edit: # but came back to add that, without a shadow of a doubt, it was still entirely Hampson's fault for this hiding; our only under-performing 'mid' on the day.

You didn't mention clearances GWS 38 Rich 29. This is the theme with Hampson, hitouts to disadvantage.

 

[Rancey18]

Fixed it for ya, Tross.

Thanks tommy!

 

[Sintiger]

Said many times would loved to have seen it Sin.

Long thought number 1 ruck would be Griffs best position.

Alas our nostradamus coach couldnt see the sense in trialling such a move even when season gone.

Instead we have 3 number 1 rucks who cant play anywhere else on the senior list ahead of an untried Griff.

Roughead and Boyd are competitive in the ruck, no more than that, but both are strong on the air and decent in general play. It's the sort of role I could see Chol being developed in as an example but he needs to get bigger and stronger first.

Not sure that we have 3 who can't play anywhere else. Nankervis looks quite capable in general play, certainly compared with Maric and Hampson.

 

[lamb22]

You didn't mention clearances GWS 38 Rich 29. This is the theme with Hampson, hitouts to disadvantage.

Yep Bill.

We lost the clearance count 8 out of the last 10 games.

Seeing he offers nothing else and he cant help the team win clearances, mind boggling he was:

(a) played second half of the year when we could have given our ruck forwards an extended ruck run; and

(b) re-signed for two years

 

[Leysy Days]

Quality response; discerning post. Mumford shades him in a couple of key areas but overall, they're not that far apart. The gap is not as wide as many want to think and Mummy is rated No. 5 in the AFL. So what happened when they played, TL? Sure you'd love to tell us. Despite our side getting an absolute shellacking#, Mumford = 0 Ks, 16 HBs, 3 Ms, 28 HOs, 4 Ts, AF - 76. Hampson = 5 Ks, 5 HBs, 5 Ms, 37 HOs, 3 Ts, AF - 83. [AFL match report]

Could you give us your considered opinion on the outcome based on these stats, TL. I cannot figure them out.

Edit: # but came back to add that, without a shadow of a doubt, it was still entirely Hampson's fault for this hiding; our only under-performing 'mid' on the day.

Not that far apart?? LOL even for you Leonie.

You seem to either deliberately forget or don't have the forethought to investigate just about the most important part of a ruckman - The ability to win clearances themselves.

On that important score Mumford had 7 just by himself. The single most of any player in the match. Hampson had one.

Mumford also helped himself 4 Centre Clearances on his own - As we know the most important kind. This time double any other player on the ground.

There's a considered opinion on there match stats for you.

 

[Baloo]

The Hampster is one for quality over quantity. His clearance of Andy to get his hands on Gale resulted in a massive score for him. One of the best in AFL's modern history.

 

[leon]

You didn't mention clearances GWS 38 Rich 29. This is the theme with Hampson, hitouts to disadvantage.

Well firstly, Bill, love the way you made my last point a self-fulfilling prophecy. Good of you to take the bait, but even I am surprised, given how blatant it was.

Secondly, again you make the circular argument I have had with Lambchops: just like him you deduce that the ruckman is primarily responsible for the overall clearance tally. Whereas I believe the whole midfield team is responsible and the ruckman is just one of the key parts. You know how it's nicknamed the 'engine-room', Bill. It's the sum of several parts, not one!! In 2016 our engine-room amounted to that of a 1200cc. If your ruckman wins the HO but team does not win the clearance, just shows the other teams mids are bigger,better and tougher e.g. see Gazza's solo efforts in the Lions game, PA mid-team, Roos, Hawthorn, Cats in last Qtr etc. etc.

Besides, as Buckley stated, CLRs are over-rated. If they don't result in a F50 entry, so what.

I do NOT claim Hammer is a great clearance player, but simply our best available ruck in 2016. I expect Nankervis will be more in the style of Mumford and Maric, will do more in the stoppages and around the ground, win more clearances personally. But less HOs. I do not think he is ready to match up that well on a Gawn yet, but he'll battle away. Still young, will naturally develop and learn more but he is not fast for a big man, doesn't have a great leap. In short, no top athlete like a Nicnat.

Hampson offers some aspects that Nank lacks, so I am thinking that in many games at least, they could form a good combo. Geelong plays three rucks really with Smith, Stanley and Blicavs. But they need to be mobile and a danger up forward. Hopefully Hammer, Nank and Griff can mount a similar threat.

The key interest for me will be in how much the likes of Prestia, Caddy, Graham and possibly Bolton (if ready yet?) can improve the engine-room.

 

[leon]

Yep Bill.

We lost the clearance count 8 out of the last 10 games.

Seeing he offers nothing else and he cant help the team win clearances, mind boggling he was:

(a) played second half of the year when we could have given our ruck forwards an extended ruck run; and

(b) re-signed for two years

Another self-fulfiller, but even more simplistic. How many players are allowed in the square at the centre bounces, Lamby. Just the one, eh?

For point a) you must mean Vickery, who had a good run for years and you were one of his great advocates, whereas nearly everyone else on PRE could see he wasn't a ruckman's bootlace, and who? ... Elton ? .... No, surely not .... McBean? Still. I'm flabbergasted, Chops. But what, didn't he win one about HO in the several games he played?

Didn't necessarily agree with the 2 years for H, one probably enough and wait and see how he goes in '17; never been that durable.

 

[leon]

Not that far apart?? LOL even for you Leonie.

You seem to either deliberately forget or don't have the forethought to investigate just about the most important part of a ruckman - The ability to win clearances themselves.

On that important score Mumford had 7 just by himself. The single most of any player in the match. Hampson had one.

Mumford also helped himself 4 Centre Clearances on his own - As we know the most important kind. This time double any other player on the ground.

There's a considered opinion on there match stats for you.

Well look whose popped his head up when he feels a little strength in numbers. The old LazyDaisy, and he's even renounced rambling about himself in the 3rd person.

However, clearly he should be in charge of AFL Fantasy assessments instead of the dill who awarded match points to Hampson, who did beat him in HOs. However, the rest of our mids were beaten by their opposition at collecting them. Our midfield team of 2016 lacked enough depth and grunt. Hence the recruiting and drafting selections obviously. See my reply to BJ, already covered this ground there. Mumford is probably the best bull ruck in the AFL. Tell us who at RFC in 2016 would have done better, Daisy, and why. In depth.

You see in real AFL world, you have to go with the best you've got available; you can't just select your fantasy ruckman.