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shaun hampson threads [merged]
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Bill James
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Hampson: 9 disposals (3k, 6h) @67% DE, 4 contested possessions, 74 metres gained, 1 mark, 1 clearance, 3 tackles, 36 HO (44% HOTA) in 80% game time.
Ceglar: 17 disposals (11 k, 6hb) @ 47% DE, 10 contested possessions, 243 metres gained, 7 marks, 1 clearance, 3 tackles in 22 HO (22% HOTA) in 84% game time.
A side cannot afford to carry a guy who is on the ground for 80% of the game and FOLLOWS the ball but only gets the ball 9 times. Yes, we all know his HO's crap on the others and that's great but when he's not doing anything after that he just becomes a passenger.
Ceglar: 17 disposals (11 k, 6hb) @ 47% DE, 10 contested possessions, 243 metres gained, 7 marks, 1 clearance, 3 tackles in 22 HO (22% HOTA) in 84% game time.
A side cannot afford to carry a guy who is on the ground for 80% of the game and FOLLOWS the ball but only gets the ball 9 times. Yes, we all know his HO's crap on the others and that's great but when he's not doing anything after that he just becomes a passenger.
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Bill James
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Let's face it, no matter how many times Leon defends Hampson, he just aint much chop. You gotta have more strings to your bow in today's game. Dumb ruckmen who have little skills around the ground once its been balled up is a thing of the past. If a Hampson is your only ruck option in a game then you are nowhere near premiership quality. The only reason Hampson gets a game is because we have ignored our ruck stocks for a long, long time. That's a knock on our coaches and recruiting department more than anything.
tigertim said:
I had already posted much of the same but you focused on comparison with Ceglar, who I've already stated is a superior footballer. However, the effect of this selective citing is to ignore the full picture. It amounts to this, Hampson is double-teamed. His performance stands up better against McEvoy, but the Dawks two combined are way ahead of Hammer, Griffiths and McBean combined, I'd say, without even bothering to do all the figures. So one conclusion is that if you took H out, our ruck performance would have been really appalling. It also depends on who played on who, what % of time, who was mostly forward or back etc.
Hampson obvious strength is HOs which often give Martin, Cotchin, Edwards et al a chance to give us an I50. But sick of this circular argument all year. How about you tell us who you'd like to ruck against Mummy next week and how they will go? [Luckily for us, big Mummy is hurt and may not play or play well!].
But, you see, it won't happen because the coaching panel/selectors at RFC for some odd reason do not see it like you do (the fools).
tigerlove said:
The main point I argue is that he is our best option now, 2016. So tell me the better, preferred option now; next game?
I do not dispute the rest of what you say; you need to examine some of the history of what has been said rather than take cheap shots. But then tell us who is the answer going forward into 2017 too?
Of course, Hampson is the only knock "on our coaches and recruiting department more than anything."
They have got everything else right. Like the retreads: Morris, Chaplin, Pettard, Townsend, AMoore etc. etc.
The draft selections: Conca, Vickery etc. etc.
No, if we had just never taken Hammer, everything would be just 'bewtiful'. We would be going for a fourpeat, not the Hawks.
leon said:
I agree, he's our only option, therein lies the problem. I know some think a Vickery/Griffiths combination would be better. I disagree because Vickery does not want to ruck (doesn't seem to want to play at all) and Griffiths doesn't have the engine or the body strength to be a first ruck (how many times have we seen him out body an opponent in the forward line?). Maric is done and dusted. It's a sad position we are in, in respect to our ruckman stocks.
