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shaun hampson threads [merged]
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Only intending a bit of fun, honestly, amidst all the cut n' thrust on PRE, but loved the great article on RFC website about the two Scottish 'lasses', midwives, who are fierce supporters - "Oh we're from Tigerland: Louise Murray and Katie Cowe." A little quote from it:
Katie: “You get so disappointed sometimes, but you get over it so quickly. You never give up hope. You know next week we’ll be back.”
Lou: “And little Daniel Rioli, it’s been good watching him.”
Katie: “And obviously the cult hero that is Shaun Hampson.”
Lou: “She’s obsessed! She’s obsessed!”
Katie: “But he’s come good. Oh, I think he’s great.”
So, there you go. Embrace the cult hero. It's not too late to jump on-board.
Katie: “You get so disappointed sometimes, but you get over it so quickly. You never give up hope. You know next week we’ll be back.”
Lou: “And little Daniel Rioli, it’s been good watching him.”
Katie: “And obviously the cult hero that is Shaun Hampson.”
Lou: “She’s obsessed! She’s obsessed!”
Katie: “But he’s come good. Oh, I think he’s great.”
So, there you go. Embrace the cult hero. It's not too late to jump on-board.
leon said:
Mate, you keep saying that you never claim hammer is a better player than Goldstein. But then you go ahead and try to claim that anyway. Or you say ridiculous things like if we drop Hampson, North should drop Goldstein.
Alongside this is the constant claim that because he tries hard and gets lots of hit outs he should keep being played even, as you freely admit, this has no benefit to the team.
And then you bring in player ratings, but decide in the next post that you don't want to use them.
Our use stats alone to claim Hampson played better than Goldstein, while giving a broadside to McBean who had better stats.
But I guess I shouldn't bring this up, because you'll throw a tantrum and call me dumb, or dumber, or maybe a genius, or tell me I have an inferiority complex for some reason.
Classy.
Coburgtiger said:
No, no and no, Coburg. I can see it's no use trying to communicate anything to you. It just seems to go into something like a distortion zone. So, just for the record:
- I re-quoted what I actually claimed back to you. But here it is again. Goldstein is a much more distinguished ruckman; but Hampson is not so bad as many want to claim. The fact that Trengove did so well on G proves that the whole ruck game is a very arguable area. The gap to H is not so huge. Your FootyWire stats even bore this out, to my surprise. I had never even looked at PR stats until Lamby raved about their accuracy. I'm not convinced but I know nothing about how they work. However, again to my surprise, the graphs (if you clicked on them?) also showed a surprising trend over 2016 and lately.
I have never stated that HOs don't matter, I rate them. This is where Lamby and I dispute. My view is that getting first hands on the ball can be very useful, but it requires the whole midfield team to win it from the HO too.
I have explained why I referred to McBean. No apology required. Re stats for a ruck-man, do HOs come into it? Because Hammer got 40, Liam 0. Enough said.
Here's another way of looking at it. If Hammer got injured and McBean had to go in at CBs in two weeks against Mumford to back up Griff, would you be happy, confident about it? I like Liam too, but would hate to see this. I would worry about his survival, seriously. I think Mummy could make his chest go really concave. Griff could compete and survive, but both he and H will have their work cut out.
So, sorry if I offended you. I think I directed it more at Lamby's insertion in our dialogue, but it's more I think we should be pretty happy we have Hampson this year, because with the unexpectedly rapid decline of Eevan, we would be in deep sh!t otherwise IMHO.
But after all that, we should agree to differ on Hampo. I'll leave it at that.
The clearance team is a team within a team.
The hit outs don't matter if we don't get a clearance, and the clearance doesn't matter if we don't maintain possession from it.
Furthermore the ruckman has to be a player in between taps. I prefer them in the middle defending (or attacking) through the corridor.
Hammer is a good ruckman and his general play has improved immensely.
I don't see how comparisons to Goldstein are all that important.
The hit outs don't matter if we don't get a clearance, and the clearance doesn't matter if we don't maintain possession from it.
Furthermore the ruckman has to be a player in between taps. I prefer them in the middle defending (or attacking) through the corridor.
Hammer is a good ruckman and his general play has improved immensely.
I don't see how comparisons to Goldstein are all that important.
If his contested marking improves , and I really believe it is all about confidence , his value to the team goes up markedly . some of those grabs in packs on the weekend were pretty bloody good . Be interesting to see how he goes against mckevoy and/or ceglar this week
Kaelan said:
I think he has always lacked a heap of confidence, no player would be drafted with kicking/marking skills as bad as his was sometimes, so it had to be confidence imo... Could even see it in interviews, he did one a few weeks ago and struggled to string a sentence together, kept saying "um" every two seconds, reeks a lack of confidence in himself.
Good to see he is building that up though
Mustn't have too many confidence issues when it comes to the ladies. Snagged a ripper.ratedx said:
Lack of confidence in his body, (dodgy knee and ankles), could have been the biggest factor. Now verging on the most games he has clocked up in a season this too may be improving and coincides with his gradual improvement. His season was built on no preseason as both ankles were operated on. Maybe with a full one he get's a little bit better again. I may be clutching at straws but when you have nothing else to hang on to that is what you do. :ratedx said:
Might just be wishful thinking , however with Hammer the only AFL experienced ruck on the list going into next season, I find it interesting that we haven't put a contract in front of him, could we possibly have a quality Ruck locked and loaded ?
Hear what your saying there Jimmy, however if he does go that leaves us with just Soldo, who is still a long way off. We can't hit the season with one ruck on the listBarnzy said:
I've appreciated his season this year. His tapwork has always been good, and he is now taking contested marks around the ground, and impacting most contests if he doesn't mark.
He is by no means an elite ruckman, but he is at least mid-range, and plenty of good teams get by with mid-range ruck men as long as they can impact marking contests around the ground.
I would be ok with going into next season with him as our first ruck, and keeping the warchest for recruiting elite midfielders, or Hurley if available.
Having said that if Maric retires, we should look at a cheap back-up given Hampsons injury history.
He is by no means an elite ruckman, but he is at least mid-range, and plenty of good teams get by with mid-range ruck men as long as they can impact marking contests around the ground.
I would be ok with going into next season with him as our first ruck, and keeping the warchest for recruiting elite midfielders, or Hurley if available.
Having said that if Maric retires, we should look at a cheap back-up given Hampsons injury history.
