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Re: poll: Shaun Hampson
And hampson is? 4th in line at carlscum, hardly a good endorsement.
17 said:
And hampson is? 4th in line at carlscum, hardly a good endorsement.
Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal
He'll the most athletic tall on the list.
Ready to battle Ivan & Ty day 1. Good management I think & huge upside
Wouldn't want to give up a player for him.
Draft is hit & miss and clearly no one in the 20-60 bracket we are targetting
He'll the most athletic tall on the list.
Ready to battle Ivan & Ty day 1. Good management I think & huge upside
Wouldn't want to give up a player for him.
Draft is hit & miss and clearly no one in the 20-60 bracket we are targetting
Re: poll: Shaun Hampson
4th in line as Carlton have 4 talls competing.
Same situation as when they let Sam Jacobs go to Adelaide - turns out it was a great deal for Adelaide.
No point coveting another club's ruckman if the player and/or his club doesn't want to leave/let him go.
Trade week is the art of the achievable.
The Swans made an art form of this by paying reasonable prices and getting deals done - and went on to win won two flags.
And for all those saying Hampson is a spud/dud/etc, I'll raise you Max Bailey.
High teen's draft pick, three kneee reco's, less than 50 games in 7 years, no-one's idea of an elite ruckman, and yet just played in a premiership side.
tigermouseau said:
4th in line as Carlton have 4 talls competing.
Same situation as when they let Sam Jacobs go to Adelaide - turns out it was a great deal for Adelaide.
No point coveting another club's ruckman if the player and/or his club doesn't want to leave/let him go.
Trade week is the art of the achievable.
The Swans made an art form of this by paying reasonable prices and getting deals done - and went on to win won two flags.
And for all those saying Hampson is a spud/dud/etc, I'll raise you Max Bailey.
High teen's draft pick, three kneee reco's, less than 50 games in 7 years, no-one's idea of an elite ruckman, and yet just played in a premiership side.
Re: poll: Shaun Hampson
spot on 17. A lot of people on here get snakey because the club can't magically make their wish come true, whether its Longer or Adams, (I wish we could get 'em too). 'Trade week is the art of the achievable' is spot on. There's a famous quote that 'politics is the art of the possible' and trade week is basically one of the pointy ends of footy politics.
17 said:
spot on 17. A lot of people on here get snakey because the club can't magically make their wish come true, whether its Longer or Adams, (I wish we could get 'em too). 'Trade week is the art of the achievable' is spot on. There's a famous quote that 'politics is the art of the possible' and trade week is basically one of the pointy ends of footy politics.
Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal
There's a lot of conjecture in this thread about Hampson putting pressure on Ty or Maric...
If we are going to get Hampson, then we're doing so because we want to play all three talls. Our structure looked the best this year with Vickery as a forward, and two genuine rucks. It's something Hardwick wants. If we were going to have a third to just play VFL and put pressure on Tyrone to perform, the Orren would do.
There's a lot of conjecture in this thread about Hampson putting pressure on Ty or Maric...
If we are going to get Hampson, then we're doing so because we want to play all three talls. Our structure looked the best this year with Vickery as a forward, and two genuine rucks. It's something Hardwick wants. If we were going to have a third to just play VFL and put pressure on Tyrone to perform, the Orren would do.
Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal
All depends on their contracts at their new clubs. If they get signed to big money deals, chances are high.
miastar said:
All depends on their contracts at their new clubs. If they get signed to big money deals, chances are high.
Re: poll: Shaun Hampson
Bailey has just retired, his body is shot and he couldn't battle through another season. For a second rounder, we should be aiming at a 150 gamer, I highly doubt that Hampson will even manage 100 games.
17 said:
Bailey has just retired, his body is shot and he couldn't battle through another season. For a second rounder, we should be aiming at a 150 gamer, I highly doubt that Hampson will even manage 100 games.
Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal
At the right price, Hampson is an astute pick-up. Athletic, decent enough in the ruck and providing his knees aren't terminal, likely to improve with more of a chance.
I agree with this. It's what Carter suggested in the Two Rucks thread. Vickery to be pretty much permanent forward, with Maric and Hampson sharing the ruck and the heat in the forward line. These two will combine as Dyer'ere's No.1 forward, providing structure, standing under the long ball and taking the hits, allowing TV and Jack to play their natural games without getting crushed.Coburgtiger said:
At the right price, Hampson is an astute pick-up. Athletic, decent enough in the ruck and providing his knees aren't terminal, likely to improve with more of a chance.
Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal
the salary they get at their new club isn't mentioned in the rules for unrestricted free agents...which is what i assume luke and matt are.
does the salary at the new club come in as part of the afl-determined formula.
RFC_Official said:
the salary they get at their new club isn't mentioned in the rules for unrestricted free agents...which is what i assume luke and matt are.
does the salary at the new club come in as part of the afl-determined formula.
Re: poll: Shaun Hampson
I don't disagree with the first point, but bit players shouldn't be acquired using premium picks. As for the second statement, 80% maybe true of Richmond, but certainly not some of the more successful clubs going around. As as been mentioned on the pick 28 thread, guys like Beams, Hannebury, Duncan, Roughead, Gunston & Bradley Hill were all secured with a similar pick. This is the benchmark we should be aspiring to, not continually going down the stop-gap route.
17 said:
I don't disagree with the first point, but bit players shouldn't be acquired using premium picks. As for the second statement, 80% maybe true of Richmond, but certainly not some of the more successful clubs going around. As as been mentioned on the pick 28 thread, guys like Beams, Hannebury, Duncan, Roughead, Gunston & Bradley Hill were all secured with a similar pick. This is the benchmark we should be aspiring to, not continually going down the stop-gap route.
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Re: poll: Shaun Hampson
Pick 26 should be going to get a borderline elite player. Its not a speculative pick and shouldn't be used on a bloke who is not managing regular games by 26 years of age. Third rounder or nothing.
Pick 26 should be going to get a borderline elite player. Its not a speculative pick and shouldn't be used on a bloke who is not managing regular games by 26 years of age. Third rounder or nothing.
Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal
Technically it's not dreadful but he can turn to jelly when the heat is on. Put it this way, if he had a match winning kick after the buzzer, I'd be very worried.
Bennnny said:
Technically it's not dreadful but he can turn to jelly when the heat is on. Put it this way, if he had a match winning kick after the buzzer, I'd be very worried.
Re: poll: Shaun Hampson
this doesn't wash
we don't 'continually' trade away picks
it isn't necessarily a 'stop gap.
Of course we should be aspiring to use all our draft picks for the best available players, that is a meaningless motherhood statement.
The powers that be have assessed all the info in front of them and made the call. Its fair to argue you don't agree, but to say 'continually going down the stopgap route' is way over the top.
bullus_hit said:
this doesn't wash
we don't 'continually' trade away picks
it isn't necessarily a 'stop gap.
Of course we should be aspiring to use all our draft picks for the best available players, that is a meaningless motherhood statement.
The powers that be have assessed all the info in front of them and made the call. Its fair to argue you don't agree, but to say 'continually going down the stopgap route' is way over the top.
Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal
He'll be the most athletic list clogger we've ever had.at least our list cloggers are looking better
He'll be the most athletic list clogger we've ever had.at least our list cloggers are looking better
Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal
Would have to clunk a mark for that to happen. Nothing to worry about there.
bullus_hit said:
Would have to clunk a mark for that to happen. Nothing to worry about there.
Re: poll: Shaun Hampson
Apart from Maric, we haven't traded away too many draft picks under Hartley.
The stop-gap route has been largely via pre-season draft and rookie list, so at modest cost.
We stop-gapped last year as in 2012 we had to play kids like O'Hanlon and Elton way too early given our lack of experienced depth - and neither are guaranteed to make it in the AFL.
Once the requisite experience and balance is on our list, this will be less of a feature going forward.
But taking a ruckman at 25 when he is entering his prime for a round 2/3 pick is unfortunately a necessary evil given our dearth of ruckmen - cant keep flogging Maric into the ground.
Then we will be able to keep our first three picks and try and keep the quality kids coming through.
bullus_hit said:
Apart from Maric, we haven't traded away too many draft picks under Hartley.
The stop-gap route has been largely via pre-season draft and rookie list, so at modest cost.
We stop-gapped last year as in 2012 we had to play kids like O'Hanlon and Elton way too early given our lack of experienced depth - and neither are guaranteed to make it in the AFL.
Once the requisite experience and balance is on our list, this will be less of a feature going forward.
But taking a ruckman at 25 when he is entering his prime for a round 2/3 pick is unfortunately a necessary evil given our dearth of ruckmen - cant keep flogging Maric into the ground.
Then we will be able to keep our first three picks and try and keep the quality kids coming through.
