shaun hampson threads [merged]

[keepa lids onit]

Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal

Second rd pick is unjustifiable for hampsson.
Firstly he's not worth it

Secondly he will be our third string ruck and second rd is too high a price for a third liner

Thirdly it's a second rd pick ffs. There are plenty of kids avail at this pick and I think it wouldn't be right for our development to waste an opportunity on a kid who could potentially be a good player for us

With a second round pick we must continue our development and get another kid in. Getting a third stringer in would be to the detriment of our long term devt. So we're only adding one good kid with our first pick then. Doesn't seem right at all were not at hawthorns stage to top up at the expense of high picks

 

[tigersnake]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

its interesting how to those who don't mind the move Hampson is 24, to those outraged he's 26. Either way is fine for me, I wonder how old he actually is?

 

[Jason King]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

As long as he wins taps I guess ... seeing as though its the end of the world that Maric apparently cant win a tap cause his body is shot :hihi

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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its interesting how to those who don't mind the move Hampson is 24, to those outraged he's 26. Either way is fine for me, I wonder how old he actually is?

He's 25 and I don't mind the decision. For now.

 

[doherz]

Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal

Second rd pick is unjustifiable for hampsson.
Firstly he's not worth it

Secondly he will be our third string ruck and second rd is too high a price for a third liner

Thirdly it's a second rd pick ffs. There are plenty of kids avail at this pick and I think it wouldn't be right for our development to waste an opportunity on a kid who could potentially be a good player for us

With a second round pick we must continue our development and get another kid in. Getting a third stringer in would be to the detriment of our long term devt. So we're only adding one good kid with our first pick then. Doesn't seem right at all were not at hawthorns stage to top up at the expense of high picks

I think uoull find we will have an additional pick or 2 in the second rd with mcgun and whitey moving on.

 

[Tygrys]

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And hampson is? 4th in line at carlscum, hardly a good endorsement.

Yep we are trading our second round pick for a hack not good enough to get a game at his home club. The Blues fans are literally laughing their heads off. They haven't pulled down our pants like this since the Tim Flemming trade. Until it's officially announced I'm still hoping sanity prevails and at best we are giving them a third rounder or a player trade. But if I get an email from the club telling me how wonderful it is and what a coup it is and how it is only cost us our second draft pick...well there is going to be some pretty strong language in the reply. Fine get the dud, but not with our second rounder please.

 

[bullus_hit]

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this doesn't wash

we don't 'continually' trade away picks
it isn't necessarily a 'stop gap.

Of course we should be aspiring to use all our draft picks for the best available players, that is a meaningless motherhood statement.

The powers that be have assessed all the info in front of them and made the call. Its fair to argue you don't agree, but to say 'continually going down the stopgap route' is way over the top.

So Stephenson wasn't a stop-gap? I've been harping on about our ruck stocks for 18 months now, and still we appear to be following with this doctrine of scrounging around the trash and treasure bin. As has been pointed out previously, we need to secure another junior ruck, pick 28 would be right in the ball-park. People can bleat on in the negative about picks failing and what not, but that's completely underselling second rounders.

The stop-gap route has been largely via pre-season draft and rookie list, so at modest cost.

And this is how it should be, I don't see any reason to alter a successful formula. If we are going to use a top 30 pick then I'm more interested in securing a quality first ruck, not an injury prone VFL player who was third in the pecking order at Carlton. If we're going to trade then we need to be grabbing the next Mumford, Warnock, Jacobs or Maric.

 

[thejinx]

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I don't mind obtaining Hampson, we're short on talls who can take a mark.

But not for a 2nd round pick. Surely not!

Who would be ultimately responsible for this decision? Hardwick? Richardson? Hartley?

 

[thejinx]

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well there is going to be some pretty strong language in the reply.

Agree with you, but no-one's going to read your reply!

 

[K3]

Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal

Second rd pick is unjustifiable for hampsson.
Firstly he's not worth it

Secondly he will be our third string ruck and second rd is too high a price for a third liner

Thirdly it's a second rd pick ffs. There are plenty of kids avail at this pick and I think it wouldn't be right for our development to waste an opportunity on a kid who could potentially be a good player for us

With a second round pick we must continue our development and get another kid in. Getting a third stringer in would be to the detriment of our long term devt. So we're only adding one good kid with our first pick then. Doesn't seem right at all were not at hawthorns stage to top up at the expense of high picks

Just a guess, but I think that Hampson would be brought in as second ruck, not third, with Vickery staying forward and rucking there only.

 

[Tigerfan]

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I'll bAck our recruiting staff based on the proven track record thing

 

[Brodders17]

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The Blues fans are literally laughing their heads off. They haven't pulled down our pants like this since the Tim Flemming trade.

that might be a good sign. if they think we traded for Fleming they probably dont know much about footy.

 

[dragicevic7]

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I don't rate Hampson much and I voted no to this trade, however:

1. If we do trade for any position I don't mind that it is a ruckman, as they are the hardest to pick as 18 year olds and also require the longest time to develop.
2. Blair and the lads have done a pretty good job with the blokes they have secured over the years, and
3. I like the two ruckman plan. Most sides have a couple of big men plus big forwards, eg at the Hawks - Hale and Bailey plus Buddy, Roughead and Gunston this year. We only have Ivan plus Jack and Ty. I wouldn't call Edwards a big forward.

I just hope it isn't a second rounder we give up.

 

[Brodders17]

Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal

Hampson's 2012 stacks up very well against Mike Pyke's 2013, stats wise.
this year not so much.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: poll: Shaun Hampson

So Stephenson wasn't a stop-gap? I've been harping on about our ruck stocks for 18 months now, and still we appear to be following with this doctrine of scrounging around the trash and treasure bin. As has been pointed out previously, we need to secure another junior ruck, pick 28 would be right in the ball-park. People can bleat on in the negative about picks failing and what not, but that's completely underselling second rounders.

And this is how it should be, I don't see any reason to alter a successful formula. If we are going to use a top 30 pick then I'm more interested in securing a quality first ruck, not an injury prone VFL player who was third in the pecking order at Carlton. If we're going to trade then we need to be grabbing the next Mumford, Warnock, Jacobs or Maric.

I didn't think we traded a pick for O? The whole business of rucks is a very delicate balance, as others have said better than me, you can't really have 2 top-line pure ruckmen, one just plays in the seconds then asks for a trade while being paid well. We have Ivan -very good but struggling with injury) TV, ruck/ fwd, (I like him, but even if you think he's just OK he's OK as one of the rarest and most valuable commodities there is), Oren, holden belmont backup we got for free, did OK, Mc Bean in development, now Hampson, and we could well rookie/ low pick another speculator. Its not perfect but its not dire.

 

[taraba]

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I reckon the rumour's crap. If it was a done deal we'd be hearing about it by now.

 

[tigersnake]

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I reckon the rumour's crap. If it was a done deal we'd be hearing about it by now.

could well be, still passes the time to debate the merits of it.

 

[Stylo]

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My hope is that we're expecting 2nd round FA compensation which we've promised to Carlton.

 

[AstuteTiger]

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I reckon the rumour's crap. If it was a done deal we'd be hearing about it by now.

Maybe they saw the outcry :hihi on PRE and BF and have decided to renegotiate instead on a 3rd round pic or a straight swap with Nahas, ahh now i feel betta :fing32

 

[michael roach]

Re: Shaun Hampson Done Deal

the salary they get at their new club isn't mentioned in the rules for unrestricted free agents...which is what i assume luke and matt are.

does the salary at the new club come in as part of the afl-determined formula.

This was on the Age website last year.



* Clubs can ask for an indication of their draft compensation before they decide to match a rival club’s offer. But the AFL has said clubs will not get a definitive answer on the draft pick they would receive until the offer from a rival club was official.

* The formula for compensation is based on the size and length of the contract and the age of the player. For instance, Brendon Goddard would almost certainly deliver a first-round pick.
However, there are various permutations. Clubs that lose a player to free agency but gain a player could receive less, depending on the value of the player they recruit. For instance, if St Kilda lost Goddard, but gained another player of less quality, the compensation would be based on the difference between the players, meaning the Saints may only receive a third-round pick plus their new player. If the player gained is judged to be at the same level to the one lost, the relevant club would receive nothing.

* The AFL will use five bands of draft selections to determine compensation. These are first round, end of first round, second round, end of second round and third round.

* Unlike expansion laws, clubs cannot ‘‘bank’’ their free-agency compensation picks. This means they will have to used or traded in the same year and cannot be stored and used when a club expects itself to finish lower on the ladder.

* Restricted free agents will fill in a ‘‘form 41’’ detailing a rival club’s official offer in terms of base payments, senior match payments and additional service agreement (ASA) payments. Unrestricted free agents will fill in a ‘‘form 42’’.

* The current player’s club will have three days to match a rival offer.

* Contracts must be lodged within seven days of the club receiving notice from the AFL.

* There will be no compensation for delisted players

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-free-agency-how-it-works-20121001-26ue3.html#ixzz2h0A3NZgh