shaun hampson threads [merged]

[tigerlove]

That's because they were roving to a dud like Derickx, while our mids were getting silver service from one of the best tap rucks in the game.

But according to stats Derickx percentage of hit outs to advantage was the same as Hampson. Go figure.

 

[tigerlove]

That's because they were roving to a dud like Derickx, while our mids were getting silver service from one of the best tap rucks in the game.

And interesting we started winning games again once Maric came back. Being able to tap a ball doesn't cut it anymore at AFL level. You need more strings to your bow, for example to be able to actually mark the ball.

 

[bullus_hit]

But according to stats Derickx percentage of hit outs to advantage was the same as Hampson. Go figure.

Over the entire season I doubt that very much, let's just wait for the official figures to come in. Hampson was ranked 2nd by round 5 so I highly doubt Derrickx suddenly jumped into equal second over the next 6 matches.

And interesting we started winning games again once Maric came back. Being able to tap a ball doesn't cut it anymore at AFL level. You need more strings to your bow, for example to be able to actually mark the ball.

Nobody is suggesting Hampson is better than Maric, ridiculous assumption. Hampson also played well in our wins against Carlton, GWS, Brisbane & our 5 point loss to Geelong. Our form line really bottomed out when he struggled, so yes, it's critical we get him performing at his peak.

 

[Tames]

Rucking isn't the issue. We know he can ruck, its what he can't do between those contests, ie mark, kick ect.

 

[tigertim]

But according to stats Derickx percentage of hit outs to advantage was the same as Hampson. Go figure.

If you're referring yo the HOTA stats I put up earlier they were only for a sample of 4 games (36%) of their 11 games they played in 2014. DErrickx had 25% v Hampsons 22% HOTA. Who knows where they ended up after 11 games.

 

[tigerlove]

Nobody is suggesting Hampson is better than Maric, ridiculous assumption. Hampson also played well in our wins against Carlton, GWS, Brisbane & our 5 point loss to Geelong. Our form line really bottomed out when he struggled, so yes, it's critical we get him performing at his peak.

Never suggested Hampson is better than Maric, so I agree ridiculous assumption on your behalf. Just that apparently Hampson's elite tapping skill was worth us losing a decent draft pick, 3 years on our list and a crapload of money when we could have just used Derrickx, a player that this year's grand finalist and probably premiers decided would be the perfect ruck backup. Then we had Big O who was elevated from the rookie list anyway at the start of the season as 2nd option. Recruiting Hampson in light of how he was used this year just doesn't make sense to me.bbUt then again either did recruiting many of our past insurance players.

 

[tigerlove]

If you're referring yo the HOTA stats I put up earlier they were only for a sample of 4 games (36%) of their 11 games they played in 2014. DErrickx had 25% v Hampsons 22% HOTA. Who knows where they ended up after 11 games.

Yes understand it was just a sample. Interestingly when Tigers played Sydney first time Derrickx had 20 hitouts and Hampson 18. Both were backups to main rucks in that match so you can assume they were pitched against each other alot.

 

[bullus_hit]

Never suggested Hampson is better than Maric, so I agree ridiculous assumption on your behalf. Just that apparently Hampson's elite tapping skill was worth us losing a decent draft pick, 3 years on our list and a crapload of money when we could have just used Derrickx, a player that this year's grand finalist and probably premiers decided would be the perfect ruck backup. Then we had Big O who was elevated from the rookie list anyway at the start of the season as 2nd option. Recruiting Hampson in light of how he was used this year just doesn't make sense to me.bbUt then again either did recruiting many of our past insurance players.

Here we go again with the Derrickx should have been the saviour line. Here's a challenge for you, can you find one poster on this entire site who made that very suggestion? So many Harry Hindsight's yet none who put their money where their mouth was. By my reckoning the only solutions pre draft that were put forward were -

1. Give up a first rounder for McEvoy
2. Give up a first rounder for Longer
3. Use a second rounder on a junior ruck (all of whom were gone by 32 apart from Nankervis)
4. Do nothing and play Stephenson (who has since been delisted so we're back at square one)
5. Play Vickery in the ruck (who is pretty useless in that department)
6. Rookie a state league player who has no experience
7. Rookie a discard like Wood (although I don't recall anyone even uttering his name)

So let's be honest, which category were you pre draft?

 

[tigerman]

If the RFC kept Derrickx on the list for this season this site would have gone into melt down.

It was pleasing to see Hampson take 17 marks including 7 contested in his last 3 vfl games. If he can transfer that over to AFL level then our ruck stocks will be ok in the short term.

 

[tigerlove]

Here we go again with the Derrickx should have been the saviour line. Here's a challenge for you, can you find one poster on this entire site who made that very suggestion? So many Harry Hindsight's yet none who put their money where their mouth was. By my reckoning the only solutions pre draft that were put forward were -

1. Give up a first rounder for McEvoy
2. Give up a first rounder for Longer
3. Use a second rounder on a junior ruck (all of whom were gone by 32 apart from Nankervis)
4. Do nothing and play Stephenson (who has since been delisted so we're back at square one)
5. Play Vickery in the ruck (who is pretty useless in that department)
6. Rookie a state league player who has no experience
7. Rookie a discard like Wood (although I don't recall anyone even uttering his name)

So let's be honest, which category were you pre draft?

The options pre-draft are now irrelevant. What I am saying though is in hindsight we would have been better off to have kept Derrickx and kept our draft pick and not locked away dollars and a spot on our list for 3 years. Sydney thought it a good option and they're in the grand final and a historically successful team.

 

[tigerlove]

If the RFC kept Derrickx on the list for this season this site would have gone into melt down.

I am sure the club doesn't recruit on the basis of whether PRE will go into meltdown.

It was pleasing to see Hampson take 17 marks including 7 contested in his last 3 vfl games. If he can transfer that over to AFL level then our ruck stocks will be ok in the short term.

Yeah pleasing to see that the soon to be 27yo is hitting his straps in the VFL. Let's hope he can transfer that to the AFL because we have him for another 2 years. I will hope as hard as anyone else, I'm just not too confident.

 

[bullus_hit]

The options pre-draft are now irrelevant. What I am saying though is in hindsight we would have been better off to have kept Derrickx and kept our draft pick and not locked away dollars and a spot on our list for 3 years. Sydney thought it a good option and they're in the grand final and a historically successful team.

Hindsight's a wonderful thing isn't it? But back to the original question, which option were you pre draft?

 

[IanG]

The options pre-draft are now irrelevant. What I am saying though is in hindsight we would have been better off to have kept Derrickx and kept our draft pick and not locked away dollars

From all reports Hampson is not on that much.

 

[Tigertool]

From all reports Hampson is not on that much.

Yep. Pretty sure he's on about $250k.

 

[tigertim]

Here we go again with the Derrickx should have been the saviour line. Here's a challenge for you, can you find one poster on this entire site who made that very suggestion? So many Harry Hindsight's yet none who put their money where their mouth was. By my reckoning the only solutions pre draft that were put forward were -

1. Give up a first rounder for McEvoy
2. Give up a first rounder for Longer
3. Use a second rounder on a junior ruck (all of whom were gone by 32 apart from Nankervis)
4. Do nothing and play Stephenson (who has since been delisted so we're back at square one)
5. Play Vickery in the ruck (who is pretty useless in that department)
6. Rookie a state league player who has no experience
7. Rookie a discard like Wood (although I don't recall anyone even uttering his name)

So let's be honest, which category were you pre draft?

But who says you then have to take option 8? Use pick 28/32 on an underachieving, injury prone, poor marking ruck, who didn't cement himself at Carlton after 7 seasons and spent half his time in the VFL and a lot of time injured.....and then showed again this year exactly the form from the previous 7 seasons.....and paying overs for it too!

That's like looking at 7 cars that didn't suit only to buy the 8th car (that's a sh!t box) because......the first 7 werent suitable. Wouldn't you keep looking? Explore other options? You make it sound like we "had" to recruit him.

What was your stance going into the draft last year Bully? We know initially you were livid when Hampson was announced as a trade (but changed opinion later)

 

[tigertim]

And just for curiosity here are the comparisons between the awful Derrickx and Hampy: http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=17&pid1=3506&tid2=15&pid2=1735&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S

Stats are very similar except for Shaun easily having the edge on hit outs averages (28.9 to 19.8). Other than that almost identical.

 

[bullus_hit]

But who says you then have to take option 8? Use pick 28/32 on an underachieving, injury prone, poor marking ruck, who didn't cement himself at Carlton after 7 seasons and spent half his time in the VFL and a lot of time injured.....and then showed again this year exactly the form from the previous 7 seasons.....and paying overs for it too!

That's like looking at 7 cars that didn't suit only to buy the 8th car (that's a sh!t box) because......the first 7 werent suitable. Wouldn't you keep looking?

What was your stance going into the draft last year Bully?

My stance was pretty clear from the draft before, pick up Grundy and secure our ruck future for the next ten years.

 

[tigertim]

My stance was pretty clear from the draft before, pick up Grundy and secure our ruck future for the next ten years.

Sorry, you lost me. Grundy was at Collingwood last October, I meant going into the draft last year what was your stance on Hampson and on who/how we should address the ruck recruiting.

 

[tigerlove]

Hindsight's a wonderful thing isn't it? But back to the original question, which option were you pre draft?

I don't remember having an opinion to be honest. Certainly wouldn't have entertained most of those options. Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing and that's all I've claimed, that in hindsight it looks like its been a bad decision. Complicated by the fact that Sydney, a very successful recruiting club, had no hesitation in using Derrickx as a backup ruck.

 

[tigerman]

Yeah pleasing to see that the soon to be 27yo is hitting his straps in the VFL. Let's hope he can transfer that to the AFL because we have him for another 2 years. I will hope as hard as anyone else, I'm just not too confident.

The club weren't to know that Griifo was going to come on as he did, with hindsight they probably would not have recruited Hampson.

Having said that he hasn't ever really been 1'st choice ruckman, at Carlton he was behind Jacobs, and Warnock and Kruezer.

If can start to hold his marks I reckon there still a lot of improvement in him.