shaun hampson threads [merged]

[tigertim]

Pick 32.

When we traded for him it was pick 28. After we traded for him it moved out to pick 32.

When you buy a house for $500k and later on its valued at $400k how much do you say you paid for it?

 

[Giardiasis]

When we traded for him it was pick 28. After we traded for him it moved out to pick 32.

When you buy a house for $500k and later on its valued at $400k how much do you say you paid for it?

Pick 28 was valued as Pick 32 because that is what both clubs realised the pick would be downgraded to. Invalid analogy.

 

[Tigertool]

When you buy a house for $500k and later on its valued at $400k how much do you say you paid for it?

??? You paid $500k for it, that fact doesn't change.

Hammer was traded for pick 28 but it was actually pick 32. We paid pick 32 for Hammer.

 

[tigertim]

I'f anyone wants to see what Hampson provides, watch the GWS game where he was absolutely dominant and continually gave us first use. Gave Giles and Mummy a bath. Griff and Vickery also played and Jack kicked 11. Hampson has a huge upside imo.

It's not really a resounding recommendation to highlight 1 game (where we won by 141 points against the second last side) where someone plays well as the proof of his value.

What about his game the week before v Melbourne where he took 1 mark and had 2 kicks? Or many other of his games where he hasn't performed? (Which far outweigh the good games he's played)

 

[tigertim]

Pick 28 was valued as Pick 32 because that is what both clubs realised the pick would be downgraded to. Invalid analogy.

No, it wasn't KNOWN at all, it was a possibility.

 

[tigertim]

??? You paid $500k for it, that fact doesn't change.

Hammer was traded for pick 28 but it was actually pick 32. We paid pick 32 for Hammer.

No, we traded pick 28 for him, fact. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-ruckman-shaun-hampson-wants-to-be-traded-to-richmond/story-fn69a32t-1226734180597

It LATER became pick 32.

 

[bullus_hit]

When we traded for him it was pick 28. After we traded for him it moved out to pick 32.

When you buy a house for $500k and later on its valued at $400k how much do you say you paid for it?

This debate is getting completely derailed. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would have known the pick would eventually be downgraded.

It's not really a resounding recommendation to highlight 1 game (where we won by 141 points against the second last side) where someone plays well as the proof of his value.

What about his game the week before v Melbourne where he took 1 mark and had 2 kicks? Or many other of his games where he hasn't performed? (Which far outweigh the good games he's played)

He played 5 good games and had 6 dud games, maybe not to some people's liking but not as one-sided as you're making out. As for the GWS game, he was up against Mummy & Giles, he took the points, give credit where credits due.

 

[tigertim]

This debate is getting completely derailed. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would have known the pick would eventually be downgraded.

He played 5 good games and had 6 dud games, maybe not to some people's liking but not as one-sided as you're making out. As for the GWS game, he was up against Mummy & Giles, he took the points, give credit where credits due.

I'm just stating facts Bully. Simple. I previously have given him credit for that game and the game v Carlton.

 

[Giardiasis]

No, it wasn't KNOWN at all, it was a possibility.

A high possibility, hence its likely future price was factored in by both parties. In any case the price was set when the pick was inacted, not when it was traded.

 

[tigertim]

This debate is getting completely derailed. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would have known the pick would eventually be downgraded.

A year ago you thought it was pick 28....

So Stephenson wasn't a stop-gap? I've been harping on about our ruck stocks for 18 months now, and still we appear to be following with this doctrine of scrounging around the trash and treasure bin. As has been pointed out previously, we need to secure another junior ruck, pick 28 would be right in the ball-park.

And this is how it should be, I don't see any reason to alter a successful formula. If we are going to use a top 30 pick then I'm more interested in securing a quality first ruck, not an injury prone VFL player who was third in the pecking order at Carlton.

Blair and FJ are massively underating our 2nd round pick, I think we can now cross off Garlett, Apeness, Lobb, Marsh, Hourigan and a few of the mosquito fleet contenders in that range. A third rounder would be acceptable, pick 28 is way over the odds, silly move IMO.

 

[bullus_hit]

A year ago you thought it was pick 28....

Thank-you for digging up my comments in isolation, did you notice this one made on October 18?

Maybe this was why we were so keen to get the deal done early, and there could be even more shuffling down the order if any other free agents decide to do a runner.

And some more made on October 10

This is spot on, McEvoy's form in the tail end of the season was woeful, he looked like a passenger for the most part and I believe was subbed out once or twice. His real strength is marks in defensive 50, when he's firing he's a huge asset, unfortunately when opposition clubs neutralise this area of his game he becomes a bit of a liability. I have no problem with grabbing Hampson and holding our first rounder, I think we've played it smart in not chasing McEvoy.

I just had a peak at Hampson's ruck highlights and he looks like a fairly accomplished tap ruckman. The stats also show he knows how to give the onballers first use so this has to bode well for our engine room. Even if his kicking is a bit dicey from time to time, I think we have a player who can contribute to the cause.

I'm definitely starting to see some method behind the madness. Losing a high pick isn't ideal but as you suggest, he's perfect for our structure - more so than either McEvoy & Longer. If he can start to clunk a few more grabs and play within his limitations on the kicking front, I believe he can become a valuable contributor and provide a bit of flexibility.

 

[tigertim]

I kept some champion data stats earlier this season regarding HOTA %. Only a 4 game sample but:

Derrickx v
Essendon: 12% HOTA
Melbourne: 29%
Hawthorn: 25%
Brisbane: 31%

Ave: 24.5%


Hampson v
Hawthorn: 23%
Geelong: 24%
Gws: 30%
Essendon: 11%

Ave: 22%

Not an exact science I agree as they both played 11(?) games this season but it's an indicator that using HOTA as a reason to justify Hampy may not be the best variable.

Cue Hampson apologists.......now!

 

[Ian4]

Hampson has a huge upside imo.

your real name isn't megan by any chance? :hihi

 

[Giardiasis]

I kept some champion data stats earlier this season regarding HOTA %. Only a 4 game sample but:

Derrickx v
Essendon: 12% HOTA
Melbourne: 29%
Hawthorn: 25%
Brisbane: 31%

Ave: 24.5%


Hampson v
Hawthorn: 23%
Geelong: 24%
Gws: 30%
Essendon: 11%

Ave: 22%

Not an exact science I agree as they both played 11(?) games this season but it's an indicator that using HOTA as a reason to justify Hampy may not be the best variable.

Cue Hampson apologists.......now!

Can't argue with that sort of compelling empirical evidence :hihi

You'd do well working for a government department.

 

[bullus_hit]

I kept some champion data stats earlier this season regarding HOTA %. Only a 4 game sample but:

Derrickx v
Essendon: 12% HOTA
Melbourne: 29%
Hawthorn: 25%
Brisbane: 31%

Ave: 24.5%


Hampson v
Hawthorn: 23%
Geelong: 24%
Gws: 30%
Essendon: 11%

Ave: 22%

Not an exact science I agree as they both played 11(?) games this season but it's an indicator that using HOTA as a reason to justify Hampy may not be the best variable.

Cue Hampson apologists.......now!

You're right, that's a miniscule sample, by those stats Derickx is a better tap ruckman than Sandilands.

 

[tigertim]

You're right, that's a miniscule sample, by those stats Derickx is a better tap ruckman than Sandilands.

No, Aaron's is higher than Toms but it's a fairly negligible difference when using HOTA as a justification to validate one ruckman over another isn't it? 22, 23, 24 %? It's pretty insignificant when over their careers Tom and Shaun average 17.5 HO a game. You're not even talking about 1 HOTA a game.

 

[bullus_hit]

No, Aaron's is higher than Toms but it's a fairly negligible difference when using HOTA as a justification to validate one ruckman over another isn't it? 22, 23, 24 %? It's pretty insignificant when over their careers Tom and Shaun average 17.5 HO a game. You're not even talking about 1 HOTA a game.

Now you're clutching at straws, as first ruck Hampson was averaging well over 30 taps, in fact I can't recall if we've ever had a 52 hit out game by any ruckman in the past 30 years. That particular match would have equated to 10 contested possessions if you want to break it down, the GWS game also 10 based on your stats. I get the anti - Hampson sentiment but to suddenly claim Derrickx as a an accomplished tap ruckman is just absurd.

 

[tigerlove]

In hindsight we should have just kept Derrickx and used our prized national draft picks for something that would give us better value. It appears Hampson is just a backup ruckman, can't really mark, hardly gets near the ball at AFL level, few contested possies, hardly tackles, doesn't hurt the scoreboard and starts next year a 27 year old. Don't get it really.

 

[bullus_hit]

In hindsight we should have just kept Derrickx and used our prized national draft picks for something that would give us better value. It appears Hampson is just a backup ruckman, can't really mark, hardly gets near the ball at AFL level, few contested possies, hardly tackles, doesn't hurt the scoreboard and starts next year a 27 year old. Don't get it really.

The Derrickx love just makes me chuckle, what's the bet he never plays another senior game?

 

[tigertim]

Now you're clutching at straws, as first ruck Hampson was averaging well over 30 taps, in fact I can't recall if we've ever had a 52 hit out game by any ruckman in the past 30 years. That particular match would have equated to 10 contested possessions if you want to break it down, the GWS game also 10 based on your stats. I get the anti - Hampson sentiment but to suddenly claim Derrickx as a an accomplished tap ruckman is just absurd.

Yeah, that's what I said, Tom was an accomplished ruck..... :

Sheesh, you've come from the Tony Abbott school of distraction. Whilst you go and make your own interpretation of stats......based on 1 game.

Look, I get you like him and want to justify your opinion, but try and look objectively.