shaun hampson threads [merged]

[Leysy Days]

:hihi

Funny cos its true mate.

 

[Sintiger]

So which mature age recruit in the past 35 years is worse? Enlighten me & remember to come up with one that was given a 3 year deal on 350-400k per year.

Knobel = Hampson

 

[Tigers2011]

Knobel = Hampson

Knobel wouldn't have been on the same coin as Hampson. Granted he was useless as well. Same could be said of Ben Marsh too.

 

[seven]

Plus they didn't cost us a 2nd round pick.

 

[nafe brown]

does anyone know how many years Hampson is contracted for?????

 

[tigertim]

does anyone know how many years Hampson is contracted for?????

2 more.

 

[tigerlove]

None of those players would have been paid close to what Hampson is getting. McMahon is the second worst trade after Hampson. O'Dwyer lasted a year if that & Jackson two. Others in your list barely depth players,

Hey! McMahon kicked that goal after the siren to ensure we didn't get that priority draft pick.

 

[bullus_hit]

None of those players would have been paid close to what Hampson is getting. McMahon is the second worst trade after Hampson. O'Dwyer lasted a year if that & Jackson two. Others in your list barely depth players,

I love the revisionism, Biddiscombe cost us pick 8, pretty expensive for a 'depth' player. Jackson cost us pick 16 and he delivered a paltry return of 7 games, he was also chronically overweight when he arrived, his penchant for a beer & his lack of professionalism easily put him in the worst pick category. Steve O'Dwyer was traded for pick 3 in the draft (Darren Kowal), he also had a degenerative knee condition which would ultimately restrict him him to 5 games. Neeld only cost pick 38 but was completely out of his depth, 3 seasons & 24 games later he was on the scrap heap too. Sanchez needs no discussion but we're still hurting given Scooter Selwood would have been a Tiger.

Hampson is clearly not an effective forward but as a second ruck he's head & shoulders above anything else we have. For all the snide remarks, not one poster has come up with any other viable alternative for our ruck shortfall.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

I love the revisionism, Biddiscombe cost us pick 8, pretty expensive for a 'depth' player. Jackson cost us pick 16 and he delivered a paltry return of 7 games, he was also chronically overweight when he arrived, his penchant for a beer & his lack of professionalism easily put him in the worst pick category. Steve O'Dwyer was traded for pick 3 in the draft (Darren Kowal), he also had a degenerative knee condition which would ultimately restrict him him to 5 games. Neeld only cost pick 38 but was completely out of his depth, 3 seasons & 24 games later he was on the scrap heap too. Sanchez needs no discussion but we're still hurting given Scooter Selwood would have been a Tiger.

Hampson is clearly not an effective forward but as a second ruck he's head & shoulders above anything else we have. For all the snide remarks, not one poster has come up with any other viable alternative for our ruck shortfall.

What about Terry Wallace? Didn't we get into a bidding war for him, got him for half a season and he wound up eventually going to the Bulldogs for a bargain basement price and gave them good service.

 

[bullus_hit]

What about Terry Wallace? Didn't we get into a bidding war for him, got him for half a season and he wound up eventually going to the Bulldogs for a bargain basement price and gave them good service.

2 B&F's at the Doggies & then took them to consecutive prelims as coach, suffice to say that our association with Wallace has been toxic from start to finish.

 

[tigertim]

I love the revisionism, Biddiscombe cost us pick 8, pretty expensive for a 'depth' player. Jackson cost us pick 16 and he delivered a paltry return of 7 games, he was also chronically overweight when he arrived, his penchant for a beer & his lack of professionalism easily put him in the worst pick category. Steve O'Dwyer was traded for pick 3 in the draft (Darren Kowal), he also had a degenerative knee condition which would ultimately restrict him him to 5 games. Neeld only cost pick 38 but was completely out of his depth, 3 seasons & 24 games later he was on the scrap heap too. Sanchez needs no discussion but we're still hurting given Scooter Selwood would have been a Tiger.

Hampson is clearly not an effective forward but as a second ruck he's head & shoulders above anything else we have. For all the snide remarks, not one poster has come up with any other viable alternative for our ruck shortfall.

I think it's been mentioned several times we need to address our thin ruck stocks. We essentially have 1 front line ruck: Ivan. Then we have 2 part timers: Ty and Griff....daylight......then Hampy. I will be very surprised if we don't address this at the trade/FA/drafts period.

Whether we go after a big fish remains to be seen but there doesn't appear too many ATM. Then it becomes a game of trying to snare someone's else's 2nd stringer eg Gawn, LOwden, Sinclair, Gorringe, Simpson etc. Or one of the state league rucks like Brooksby or Baulderstone., possibly Sandy Robinson but he,s only 196cm or Nick Meese from Willy.

It's fairly plain to see Hampy just isn't up to it. He will be a depth player for 2015 - 2016.

 

[bullus_hit]

I think it's been mentioned several times we need to address our thin ruck stocks. We essentially have 1 front line ruck: Ivan. Then we have 2 part timers: Ty and Griff....daylight......then Hampy. I will be very surprised if we don't address this at the trade/FA/drafts period.

Whether we go after a big fish remains to be seen but there doesn't appear too many ATM. Then it becomes a game of trying to snare someone's else's 2nd stringer eg Gawn, LOwden, Sinclair, Gorringe, Simpson etc. Or one of the state league rucks like Brooksby or Baulderstone., possibly Sandy Robinson but he,s only 196cm or Nick Meese from Willy.

It's fairly plain to see Hampy just isn't up to it. He will be a depth player for 2015 - 2016.

Hampson is insurance for Maric, just can't see us going into any match with Vickery or Griff as first ruck. Sure we can do better, but for now he's a required player given the others will only be rucking 20% of the time. Personally I'd be throwing the kitchen sink at Ryder, his ability to play as a forward would bring some outstanding balance to our side. At 700k a season we'd be paying a premium but he would plug a glaring hole in the list.

 

[tigertim]

Hampson is insurance for Maric, just can't see us going into any match with Vickery or Griff as first ruck. Sure we can do better, but for now he's a required player given the others will only be rucking 20% of the time. Personally I'd be throwing the kitchen sink at Ryder, his ability to play as a forward would bring some outstanding balance to our side. At 700k a season we'd be paying a premium but he would plug a glaring hole in the list.

Yes, Hampy will be the "insurance" ruck for Ivan but you'd rather not be paying $250k for a VFL player to wait in the wings would you? Swans (Derrickx at pick 167 and what, $80k) and Carlton (Wood as a rookie pick, at $60k?) played it much better for rucks similar standard to Hampson (pick 32)

But yes, it'd be nice to snare Ryder. It's make sense to try and work Ty into that deal but I know we are no chance.

 

[Tigers2011]

I love the revisionism, Biddiscombe cost us pick 8, pretty expensive for a 'depth' player. Jackson cost us pick 16 and he delivered a paltry return of 7 games, he was also chronically overweight when he arrived, his penchant for a beer & his lack of professionalism easily put him in the worst pick category. Steve O'Dwyer was traded for pick 3 in the draft (Darren Kowal), he also had a degenerative knee condition which would ultimately restrict him him to 5 games. Neeld only cost pick 38 but was completely out of his depth, 3 seasons & 24 games later he was on the scrap heap too. Sanchez needs no discussion but we're still hurting given Scooter Selwood would have been a Tiger.

Hampson is clearly not an effective forward but as a second ruck he's head & shoulders above anything else we have. For all the snide remarks, not one poster has come up with any other viable alternative for our ruck shortfall.

You should put your hand up to be head recruiter, you're such a genius.

 

[Tigers2011]

And I stand by the original view - for the draft pick given and salary paid, this is the worst mature age recruit I've seen in 35 years as a member.

Don't dispute we need new ruck support, although originally that's what Vickery was drafted as. However in Hampson, the player choice was badly wrong. Surely there's better options in State leagues across the country.

Recruiting is the heart beat of all football clubs. Richmond has been chronically hopeless in this area & can't afford anymore horrendous mistakes going into the future.

 

[Tenacious]

And I stand by the original view - for the draft pick given and salary paid, this is the worst mature age recruit I've seen in 35 years as a member.

Don't dispute we need new ruck support, although originally that's what Vickery was drafted as. However in Hampson, the player choice was badly wrong. Surely there's better options in State leagues across the country.

Recruiting is the heart beat of all football clubs. Richmond has been chronically hopeless in this area & can't afford anymore horrendous mistakes going into the future.

Was that your original view?
I admit that I was pleased we got him when we did on the basis of him being a backup to Ivan (and the memory of him playing against us in the first game of the previous season).
But sure - now I would prefer to have stuck with Vickery and Griffiths.
So hindsight has altered my view.

 

[bullus_hit]

Yes, Hampy will be the "insurance" ruck for Ivan but you'd rather not be paying $250k for a VFL player to wait in the wings would you? Swans (Derrickx at pick 167 and what, $80k) and Carlton (Wood as a rookie pick, at $60k?) played it much better for rucks similar standard to Hampson (pick 32)

But yes, it'd be nice to snare Ryder. It's make sense to try and work Ty into that deal but I know we are no chance.

Would have preferred Wood to Stephenson when both were training with the club, didn't see the logic in grabbing a 30 year old rookie at the time and that's proven to be spot on. One could argue that we should have made a belated play for Wood last year but ultimately the club had seen enough. Carlton are also in the same boat to us with Warnock languishing in the reserves on top dollar, like Hampson he is a tap ruckman who struggles to influence games around the ground.

Derickx is still a very average footballer, possibly flattered by playing in such a professional outfit. I would be surprised if he plays anymore games for the Swans, particularly if they make a big play for Ryder.

Pick 32 was slightly overs but unfortunately our lack of planning forced our hand. Looking ahead, I think it's imperative we get another junior ruck in the system, Oakleigh Charger Marc Pittonet looks like a decent alternative in the Maric mould. He would require a lengthy apprenticeship but with any luck Maric & Hampson can plug the dam until he gets up to speed. We also have Soldo who's a project but I don't feel comfortable placing all the eggs in one basket.

 

[Tigers2011]

Basic view is he's the worst mature age recruit I've seen in 35 years as a member, especially given the draft pick given & salary paid.

Purely personal view & happy for others to disagree. However after living through the misery of failed Richmond seasons since 1982 & having invested emotionally & financially over that whole time, surely we can recruit better than this - especially given the resources the club now has in this area.

Recruiting mistakes of the past (e.g. Pavlich/Fiora; Tambling/Franklin etc) happened at a time where the club didn't have the resources of today. Hence the tolerance level to recruiting mistakes now is pretty low from my perspective.

 

[bullus_hit]

You should put your hand up to be head recruiter, you're such a genius.

Never claimed to be a genius but I can see your hatred of Hampson trumps all common sense.

 

[Tenacious]

Basic view is he's the worst mature age recruit I've seen in 35 years as a member, especially given the draft pick given & salary paid.

Purely personal view & happy for others to disagree. However after living through the misery of failed Richmond seasons since 1982 & having invested emotionally & financially over that whole time, surely we can recruit better than this - especially given the resources the club now has in this area.

Recruiting mistakes of the past (e.g. Pavlich/Fiora; Tambling/Franklin etc) happened at a time where the club didn't have the resources of today. Hence the tolerance level to recruiting mistakes now is pretty low from my perspective.

In hindsight I concede it's not been a good move - but at what point did you decide it's such a bad move? At the time?