Sack Frawley

[tigertime]

Since when has sacking coaches been a bad thing.....

Who came up with this concept???

The problem isnt one of sacking coaches mid season.

Its of choosing the right coach. We have had two half decent coaches in the last 20 years. Bartlett and Northey.

The rest have been terrible. Stop worrying about how bad our recruitment staff are with drafting players.

How about the most important draft. Recruiting the best coach for the RFC.

How many mediocre coaches have we tried to develop over the last 20 years.

All efforts should be directed at getting Wallace to punt road and clearing away any obstacles.

If we can get him mid season, then we dont have to write off season 2004. If we dont, then we have to suffer the rest of the year.

 

[Harry]

Redline,

Seeing that you support Danny Frawley, can you tell your brother in law and his team mates to pull their finger out and at least try and impersonate professional footballers.

 

[diggler]

The only reason those Duds think highly of Frawley, is because they know that if the club had a Pagan, Matthews or Malthouse as coach, their lives would be spent at the TAB and Centrelink office.

 

[Berwick boy]

keep going boys..luving it..pistols at noon ;D

 

[schnipper]

Denis Pagan hit it on the head that at AFL level, performance is 90% above the shoulders. Our list for obvious reasons has had its confidence shattered for a month. Result the terrible losses that have our members baying for blood still.

Well said getbacktoglorydays, that pretty much sums it up for me ;D I wish others could see it that way instead of thinking the worst of everything. thats my opion.

 

[TigerForce]

Whoever is interested. The great King Frawley will speak on SEN within the next hour. We must listen to his great speech and comments, especially the 'look & listen' cliches

So if you all have access to a radio, get ready.

 

[schnipper]

Cheers tigerforce

 

[glorydaysareback]

getbacktoglorydays

You clearly missed the point.

You are a melbourne supporter and they deserve to have you.

You are not a richmond supporter.  A richmond support would not support a course of direction that will ruin the football club.  Richmond supporter do not support mediocrity.  If they did, we would still be coached by the goose or 4walls.

Your petty comment that you are not a big fan of frawley demonstrates how spineless and mediocre you are.  Take a stand.

Tigertime the moron. I didnt miss any point. You call yourself a supporter and all you can do is sledge, *smile* and critisize. To make it worse you make a claim about what a player said then you you cant substantiate. You are just some fool who got caught out trying to big note himself.

I may not think Frawley will be a top line coach but i do respect him as coach of the club and the fact he should be allowed to see out his tenure.

The only thing you seem to respect is your own ignorant hap hazard logic.

 

[tigertime]

I may not think Frawley will be a top line coach but i do respect him as coach of the club and the fact he should be allowed to see out his tenure.

This statement says it all. MEDIOCRITY is your middle name.



If Danny's few miserable supporters can't handle the criticism, then clearly they are as weak as his leadership and should bring their whole family to the forum to hold their hands.

The reality is, Danny's supporters only defence is to attack real RFC supporters for pointing out the obvious, that he is a dud and must go sooner than later.

There is no defence that Danny did a great job of this and that. Because quite simply, he hasnt done anything for the club but embarrass it. Bit like St Kilda when he was a captain and collingwoods reserves. Three time loser!!!

 

[tigertime]

One final point on this issue.

MATTHEW KNIGHTS.

True tiger supporters will know what this means nor will they ever forget.

The rest can go pat danny on the bum and congratulate him for his great victory over the worst team in the afl at the moment by a massive 1 point.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

The reality is, Danny's supporters only defence is to attack real RFC supporters

real RFC supporters?you arrogant fool

 

[dmx]

The reality is, Danny's supporters only defence is to attack real RFC supporters

real RFC supporters?you arrogant fool

Ok ...enough squabbling about who wants Danny and who doesnt.

We have to be clear here as to what the "Danny Supporters" are wanting. So can i have anyone that is a pro-Danny supporter please explain what their argument is, so the the "Anti-Danny supporters" understand, what to some is quite impossible to understand.


Before anyone starts, lets be clear as to what every supporter, bar about a busload, really want, and that is a change whether it be now or after the end of the season, is this not the case?
So i think to many of us are getting caught up with the sack now or sack later debate, when the Anti-Danny people should by now realise that the season is all but shot to pieces, meaning even if we make the 8 with what we have seen so far, we will just make up the numbers, and that is a big IF we do make it.

So to all anti-danny supporters give it up and just ride it out, I am one of you. Its not bad just cruising through the season with no pressure guys, really, it actually is a relief to go to the footy not expecting anything big to happen so when it does good and when it doesnt, who's shout is it.
Add to that the sit-com that continues inside and out of the coaches box and its not bad entertainment either.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

no one is disputing the fact that spud will not be our coach next year.i have no problem with that at all.what i find frustrating is that despite this and as history shows sacking the coach mid-season gets us nowhere.we have to be seen that we have changed our culture regarding sacking coaches therefore make it a bit more to the liking of a decent coach.we cant afford to appoint another 4th choice rookie coach.

 

[Dean3]

no one is disputing the fact that spud will not be our coach next year.i have no problem with that at all.what i find frustrating is that despite this and as history shows sacking the coach mid-season gets us nowhere.we have to be seen that we have changed our culture regarding sacking coaches therefore make it a bit more to the liking of a decent coach.we cant afford to appoint another 4th choice rookie coach.

Spot on j2r. My only amendment to that would be "mid-contract" rather than mid-season. Some of the more intelligent so-called "darksiders" have finally seen that this has been the plan with Danny all along. To honour the contract, support him and give him the best chance possible to succeed. If he wins, we all win. If he fails, we still win to some extent because we can begin the search for a new coach with a clear conscience and with something to offer.
The perception of Richmond in the football world is that we fire the coach when things go wrong. The old argument about 'did we actually fire KB, or Northey or whoever' is absolutely and utterly irrelevant when it comes to talking about perceptions. Make no mistake, the perception of Richmond is that we are ruthless and will withdraw support for the coach, and hold the coach completely liable for everything, when the going gets tough. And we have done that without giving the coach the kind of stability and support that someone like Sheedy has had in his time at Essendon.
In the past, say 3 seasons, we have started to put together an off-field structure that supports the coach. I say 'started' because we have a long way to go yet, both in terms of structure and personnel.
Along with putting a credible and workable off field structure in place, we absolutely must break down the perception that we will hold the senior coach completely accountable if things start to go wrong. We must actually be AND be seen to be supportive of the coach, and look for reasons, not the knife. Sure, like all clubs, if things go wrong for an extended period, then a rational, calm and adult decision to replace the coach may be necessary. At Richmond, this has been our first port of call rather than our last, and that is the problem that has plagued us for over 20 years. A new coach brings new systems, new players, new game plans, new this, new that — basically it changes everything, and frequent changes of coach are terribly damaging for a club. Far better to support a coach through difficult times, try to improve him, educate him and see him through — you'll end up with a much better coach and person at the end of that process, a more stable, supportive and consistently successful club - and if it becomes necessary to cut a coach loose, then you'll have far better list of prospective coaches to choose from.
If that position makes me a head-in-the-sand brightsider, then so be it. I just happen to believe that it is the right way to go for Richmond.

 

[dmx]

The perception of Richmond in the football world is that we fire the coach when things go wrong.

So what have we achieved with the new plan to change the perception the footy world has for Richmond Dean?

Like the plan has brought us a heap of positive headlines hasnt it?

Like the next prospective coach is going to be pretty happy that his contract will be honored even though if he is failing dismally, he will be abused, ridiculed, spat on, have family abused, he will resort to chartering buses for family support.

Cna you tell me what exactly this new perception is going to look like?

 

[Dean3]

Don't follow you praying,are you saying that this perception doesn't exist?

 

[dmx]

Don't follow you praying,are you saying that this perception doesn't exist?

praying?...

anyway...you talk about the club needing to change how it is perceived by the footy world, when it comes to sacking coaches, in order to attract the best possible coach next time.

What has the last 6 weeks given to the rest of the footy world when it comes to the tiges?

The next coach will know we will honor his contract no matter what?
So he must feel all warm and fuzzy knowing the pressure is on fo perform i guess huh?
Just like a senior player not pulling his weight in the 1s because he knows that he will never be dropped.

So as you can see at the end of the day it comes to one factor and one factor only that can keep somone that knows his job is safe even if he failing dismally and that is us...letting him know we are not amused and we will keep letting hin know until he either moves or gets his act togehter and performs..

 

[tigertime]

Wallace said two things of interest that can be summed up pretty simply:

1) He didnt want to be spat on by supporters.

2) He wants to coach a list with potential.

On those two points, clearly frawley should be sacked.

Firstly, if frawley was sacked last year, there would have been no spitting. The reality is, the fans are so sick of him that they have resorted to stupid actions out of complete frustration.

Secondly, by having such a pathetic coach, we are running down the estimations of our playing list. The more badly they are coached, the less attractive the list.

Honouring losers as DMX has so aptly put it is not going to attract a good coach. Its just going to attract another mediocre coach that knows he wont have to take responsibility for his actions.

Not to mention the damage these performances are doing to the mentality of the players and the perception of the club as a whole. How many sponsors have we lost based on these perceptions? Why would a club with such a huge supporter base struggle financially? Nike has clearly distanced itself from the tigers. Who will be next.

 

[Rosy]

praying?...

Dmx, was the question mark meant to imply that you're not the poster formerly known as praying manton?

 

[dmx]

praying?...

Dmx, was the question mark meant to imply that you're not the poster formerly known as praying manton?

I was thinking that Dean was looking to the gods for divine intervention rosy...what is this praying manton?