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Ryan Bastinac
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Tigers of Old said:
Oldie, i remember that draft time well. I got a bit of stick for suggesting Griffiths, Taylor and Dea were speculative (although I was Ok with Dea and Taylor at 40 and 50 odd)
i thought 19 should have gone more on a reliable pick, Bastinac or as it turned out Duncan as the mid or someone like Carlisle if we went tall.
Griff has still got his chance so here's hoping.
I dont really like playing draft hindsight but this was one occasion where I thought we should have played the percentages more.
The one that sticks in my craw (and FJs as well I'd imagine) is getting Jordy Mac and not Scott Selwood in 2007. We'd be looking a bit more solid with Selwood and Bastinac as 'second' tier mids.
Our 2007 draft would have looked pretty awesome with Cotch, Rance and Selwood as FJ wanted (and snagging pick 21 Maric as a rookie)
PS lets not even mention the bloke that was picked after Griff.
Good point Lamby.
It's not to far fetched that we could have Selwood and Bastinac. Our midfeild would be set for the next decade.
But those two are classic cases of footbalers that we keep missing. We have to build that second tier.
The Jordy trade was horrible, it really was. It happens. But the Griff pick still staggers me.
It's not to far fetched that we could have Selwood and Bastinac. Our midfeild would be set for the next decade.
But those two are classic cases of footbalers that we keep missing. We have to build that second tier.
The Jordy trade was horrible, it really was. It happens. But the Griff pick still staggers me.
As said, earlier in this thread, Bastinac wasn't one of my favourites.
Certainly, from when I saw Dustin Martin in Bendigo in early April 2009, he was my absolute favourite.
So, too, were Ben Cunnington, Mitch Duncan & Jake Carlisle, and later Ben Griffiths, amongst a handful of others.
Cunnington went at #5
Duncan at #28, and
Carlisle at #24
I placed Bastinac as a 2nd round pick and he went at #21.
With that, in Richmond's 2009 situation, which is important, Hughes & Schulz were already on the outer and the List desperately needed tall key forwards and defenders.
Dustin Martin had been taken as a midfielder with our first pick, therefore it was important to take a KPP with our second pick.
No doubt Bastinac played a very good game on the weekend from the 2nd quarter on, as an outside midfielder, kicking 4 goals.
Ziebell did very well too from the 2nd quarter on, as an inside midfielder, also kicking 4 goals. (#9 in 2008 draft).
Atley, too, played well (#17 in 2010 draft).
And good luck to them, regardless of whom we took.
I remember one of the key StKilda recruiters directly approaching me and warning me about taking Griffiths, as he had only played a handful of games in two TAC years, although the games he had played were very good.
Anyway, I don't begrudge taking Griffiths with that second pick, along, later, with Astbury, Browne & Grimes because we needed talls.
Griffiths went in ND at #19
Astbury at #35
Browne at #94, and
Grimes in the Pre-season Draft.
Certainly, from when I saw Dustin Martin in Bendigo in early April 2009, he was my absolute favourite.
So, too, were Ben Cunnington, Mitch Duncan & Jake Carlisle, and later Ben Griffiths, amongst a handful of others.
Cunnington went at #5
Duncan at #28, and
Carlisle at #24
I placed Bastinac as a 2nd round pick and he went at #21.
With that, in Richmond's 2009 situation, which is important, Hughes & Schulz were already on the outer and the List desperately needed tall key forwards and defenders.
Dustin Martin had been taken as a midfielder with our first pick, therefore it was important to take a KPP with our second pick.
No doubt Bastinac played a very good game on the weekend from the 2nd quarter on, as an outside midfielder, kicking 4 goals.
Ziebell did very well too from the 2nd quarter on, as an inside midfielder, also kicking 4 goals. (#9 in 2008 draft).
Atley, too, played well (#17 in 2010 draft).
And good luck to them, regardless of whom we took.
I remember one of the key StKilda recruiters directly approaching me and warning me about taking Griffiths, as he had only played a handful of games in two TAC years, although the games he had played were very good.
Anyway, I don't begrudge taking Griffiths with that second pick, along, later, with Astbury, Browne & Grimes because we needed talls.
Griffiths went in ND at #19
Astbury at #35
Browne at #94, and
Grimes in the Pre-season Draft.
That's right Phanto. At the time Jack had yet to make his mark as a key forward. I remember thinking he'd be a CHF and we'd need a FF. I wanted Butcher until I saw Martin, then couldn't really complain. ;D
The Griff pick was a risk but a good one IMO. Bastinac is the type you can get at pick 20-50 every draft. Massive blokes who can clunk marks, outsprint rovers, pick the ball off their bootlaces and hoof it 75 are far rarer and if you get a crack at one at pick 19 you go for it. That's why I liked the Elton pick last year too.
"We missed Bastinac" - plenty more like him around. Fasolo went at 45 a year later; Parker at 35, Christensen 40 in Basti's draft. At the moment Griff and Astbury are out of the team (and are still only 20-21 - babies). In 2-3 years time when they've grown into themselves and this year's three mids we draft inside the top 35 are the age Bastinac is now, let's revisit. Get the big blokes early.
The Griff pick was a risk but a good one IMO. Bastinac is the type you can get at pick 20-50 every draft. Massive blokes who can clunk marks, outsprint rovers, pick the ball off their bootlaces and hoof it 75 are far rarer and if you get a crack at one at pick 19 you go for it. That's why I liked the Elton pick last year too.
"We missed Bastinac" - plenty more like him around. Fasolo went at 45 a year later; Parker at 35, Christensen 40 in Basti's draft. At the moment Griff and Astbury are out of the team (and are still only 20-21 - babies). In 2-3 years time when they've grown into themselves and this year's three mids we draft inside the top 35 are the age Bastinac is now, let's revisit. Get the big blokes early.
Of course with the benefit of hindsight the Astbury pick (#35 in 2009) could have been used on Sam Reid (#38) but that was probably never going to happen when he came from the Bushrangers.
spook said:
Whilst I still have some reservations about his fitness, I have to agree with the decision. If he can stay on the park, there's no reason to suggest he can't forge a successful AFL career, I really think that some are jumping the gun with the frequent Griffiths obituary notices.
bullus_hit said:
Don't see that anyone's done that.
No doubt though that to this point Bastinac has shown oodles more at AFL level than Big Ben.
Remains to be seen if he'll be a player yet. One hopes so.
Tigers of Old said:
Without question, one has been playing and the other recovering from injury.
I also liked Bastinac at draft time but I can definitely see the merits in going after a mobile 198cm tall, we have two critical positions to be filled and I doubt we'll solve that deficiency by loading up on midfielders with all our early draft picks.
spook said:
And we missed every one of those three. The players you listed are exactly what we need right now. Forget what Griff MIGHT bring to the table we need three Bastinac, Parker, Fasolo and Christensen types to have a tilt at 2013-14-15-16. We need to have them playing right now to get those first 40 games into them.
With the right development i expect Helbig to be our version of Bastinac.Now where did Helbig go in the draft?
Parker went at 35 and Fasolo 45 in the same draft we took Batchelor at 30, so we could only have one of the three. I'm not unhappy with our man, not by a long stretch - I'd take him over the others today.SCOOP said:
Christensen played in a premiership in his second year because he could slot into a mature team as an extremity, a nice haircut on a well-built, good-looking bloke with great bone structure. At the time we drafted Griff we were gutting the list and pretty much starting again. We needed to get that bone structure, to build a skeleton. Whether he comes on or not it was the right approach. We had zero spine players we could count on. Since then Jack, Rance and Grimes (taken that year too) have come on enormously and we still need one or two more to come on. If we hadn't drafted Griff, Astbury and Elton who would be the candidates? McGuane might have been signed to 2015.
You're looking at the 2009 draft through 2012 eyes. Only in your wildest dreams could you have thought we'd be anywhere near even hoping to challenge in 2013 back then. It's a testament to how much the club's got right since that we are.
Three mids this year, all taken with earlier picks than Parker, Fasolo or Christensen, combined with one or more of Griff, Astbury or Elton making the grade and we will be pushing for flags from 2014-2020. A longer, more sustained challenge because we took the time to build a big strong frame.
spook said:Parker went at 35 and Fasolo 45 in the same draft we took Batchelor at 30, so we could only have one of the three. I'm not unhappy with our man, not by a long stretch - I'd take him over the others today.
Christensen played in a premiership in his second year because he could slot into a mature team as an extremity, a nice haircut on a well-built, good-looking bloke with great bone structure. At the time we drafted Griff we were gutting the list and pretty much starting again. We needed to get that bone structure, to build a skeleton. Whether he comes on or not it was the right approach. We had zero spine players we could count on. Since then Jack, Rance and Grimes (taken that year too) have come on enormously and we still need one or two more to come on. If we hadn't drafted Griff, Astbury and Elton who would be the candidates? McGuane might have been signed to 2015.
You're looking at the 2009 draft through 2012 eyes. Only in your wildest dreams could you have thought we'd be anywhere near even hoping to challenge in 2013 back then. It's a testament to how much the club's got right since that we are.
Three mids this year, all taken with earlier picks than Parker, Fasolo or Christensen, combined with one or more of Griff, Astbury or Elton making the grade and we will be pushing for flags from 2014-2020. A longer, more sustained challenge because we took the time to build a big strong frame.
Fair enough Spook.
A couple of points though from leysy. Love Batch but reckon only a Richmond supporter would take him over Parker. Kid will be a tough as teak stand up in finals type midfield star ILO.
Also to be fair to Scoop, he was looking through 2009 eyes not 2012. However it turns out he was not forward in putting it out there at the time. No hindsight on his part.
Yeah but Batch released Lids to the midfield. ;D And he'll be a tough as teak stand up in finals type of half-back.
I take SCOOP at his word that he wanted Bastinac back in 09 but my point stands that only looking at it now could you possibly say we'd be challenging for a flag next year if we had him and Parker.
I take SCOOP at his word that he wanted Bastinac back in 09 but my point stands that only looking at it now could you possibly say we'd be challenging for a flag next year if we had him and Parker.
