Or unnecessarily using thermo and cluster bombs within close proximity of civilians….
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Russia Invades Ukraine
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Illegally using thermo and cluster bombs. Which they deny using despite all the evidence that says otherwise
Apparently he’s cleansing Ukraine of neo Nazis.
This includes their Jewish President.
Heard the Septics are going full noise with the wet lettuce leaf on Putin n them mega oligarchs. Put sanctions on seven ( count em n weep ) a whole seven oligarch families. Won't let them visit Septic land n gunna freeze all their assets, if they can find them. Meanwhile they're gunna keep importing billions of dollars worth of Putin's oil each month, because if they don't there'll be a shortage in Septic land n fuel prices will go up. FMD where in the world but Septic land n Pommie land n Froggie land, Kraut land n every other country up to their eyeballs in pretending their worried about the Ukes.
Not hard to dissimulate at all. Their Prez is either a sneaky nazi pretending to be a jew or a sneaky jew pretending to be a nazi. If you're not sure how that works, just ask Vlad the Putin, he'll set ya straight.
He‘ll need to ask Comrade Goebbels in the Ministry of Propaganda for the details
Realpolitic is explaining why this is happening. If you want to ignore the causes (note, this is plural, there are more than 1 cause and more than 1 contributor) of this war then go ahead, sit on your high horses, find a convenient authoritarian *smile* to blame and when we get to the next similar situation . . . it will end in war again, but your consciences will be clear.
The point is not to apportion blame but to try and prevent war in the first place.
On another note, what is happening to the very large nuclear power station when war comes to town is another bloody good reason to avoid nuclear power (apart from the 250,000 years of toxic waste for possibly 5 years of energy).
DS
The point is not to apportion blame but to try and prevent war in the first place.
On another note, what is happening to the very large nuclear power station when war comes to town is another bloody good reason to avoid nuclear power (apart from the 250,000 years of toxic waste for possibly 5 years of energy).
DS
Yep
Ukraine should have thought twice about invading Russia and marching into Moscow. They were also forced to attack the nuclear power stations. They just had to shell all those apartment blocks, hospitals and any other non-military targets
What were they thinking?
Taking a hardline stance to Germany is what precipitated WW2. Poland gave absolutely no ground to German demands and hence conflict was inevitable there and they were destroyed. Western alliance entanglements then dragged France and Britain into conflict which saw France destroyed and Britain likely would have as well but the Germans made the disastrous decision to invade the USSR.
The West following WW1 forced Germany into unconditional surrender, forced them to accept humiliating concessions and forced regime change. This then led to an inevitable nationalist push back that led to a militarised Germany. As the victor, the allies had a responsibility to enshrine European defence and instead they pursued policies that led to WW2.
There’s nothing weird about comparing this situation to the Ukrainian crisis as Russia too has been shown no ground and their smaller neighbour has been giving them no concessions hence they will be destroyed.
What rule of law and international agreements? NATO obviously don’t respect the rule of law (see Kosovo intervention) and what happened to respecting the Minsk agreements? The US had shown it doesn’t respect the rule of law when it runs counter to their interests so why should Russia?
Appeasement and containment is the only rational course of action, the myth of WW2 appeasement being bad policy continues to plague many people’s understanding of foreign policy theory.
Hogswash, if the allies recognised the errors of Versailles and allowed Germany to reclaim some of their demands they could have had an ally to then counter the USSR, which following WW2 was the state of affairs that led to European peace for decades.
Errors might have been documented but Hitler caused WW2 is sacrosanct. I’ve already suggested you read A.J.P. Taylor’s “The Origin’s of the Second World War”, a generally guiding principle of history to to listen to historians that are unflattering to their country.
Would prefer to see an internal coup which results in a bullet to his head. Far more efficient and over and done with.
Hardline stance?? Many countries in Europe knew about Hitler investing in his military in contravention of the Treat of Versailles, but decided to allow him to continue. The concessions around their military were not hardline at all, there was significant allowance given there.
He then invaded several nearby countries, into areas that spoke German. Again the rest of Europe allowed this to happen. They even signed an agreement that allowed Germany to annex these areas (Munich agreement), but Hitler ignored the fact he had agreed not to invade Czechoslovakia and did it anyway, he then invaded Poland and the rest is history.
Now read the above and replace Germany with Russia and see how different it sounds. We have done EXACTLY the same, just 80 years later.
People like Hitler and Putin are the same, they make demands, the other side deals with them softly and as opposed to be given an inch, they take a mile.
But if you want to re-write history, go ahead but expect for people to treat you with contempt. To infer that Hitler was pushed into a corner and was forced into the action that he was is delusional at best.
And that’s precisely what the west are hoping for - and in fact may have even been plotting for all along with all of this.
Pressure Russia and nut job Putin into losing his cool, create a situation that allows the west to suffocate him and the new Russia economically and otherwise, send the oligarchs and progressives within the Kremlin into a tail spin - and let them do the dirty work.
