Rich Vs Adel (March 11th, 2011)-Teams [Merged]

[Harry]

Navy's positoves & negatives for those that care - (he missed the 1st qtr so may be slightly out)

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Foley - better as the game went on. Started to show that direct dash from clearances & good use by gand we know him for. Wont be far off his best after a month into the season.

Helbig - Extremely well balanced young footballer. Heaps to work with.

Conca - whilst unobtrusive unlike a lot of his teammates he has care for the football. Its a massively underrated quality.

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Graham - We badly need one ruckman to stand up. He wont be it.

Jackson - He & Tuck cant play in the same midfield. Navy's no huge wrap of Tucky but he would get the nod.

RFC sports science dept - The comparison of Adelaides players compared to ours is starc. You can tell they are trained to be strong through the core. To AFL standards ours arent. Time for a well overdue overhaul.

Spreading from a contest - Navy's long time bane. It is the biggest reason we cant climb the ladder. Unfortunately no improvement on todays effort.

Other notes. Dusty played well. Grigg won plenty of footy but be prepared for some massive clangers & get on Chimp for the B & F.

Agree with your positives. Would also add nahas and rance in there.

Jackson. You all know my opinion of him. probably the least football smart player in the league.

Conca is a beauty. Will be a player and a half. Inspired pick imo.

In terms of spreading from a contest - it's also the gut running to a contest and not just the spread from a contest that's really lacking. Cousins was the master of constantly gut running to a contest even after he disposed of it. It would have been good for the development of our players if he stuck around for another year or 2.

 

[TigerForce]

It would have been good for the development of our players if he stuck around for another year or 2.

Nuh we should've traded him for a 2nd round pick...... (where's Oldie ;D )

 

[wammo]

Fair enough comments from two insightful posters re conditioning, but surely our massive list turnover is going to be reflected by inferior body size/core strength.

 

[Barnzy]

We beat Port who then smashed Geelong by 80 odd points.

Right off Geelong?

Gotta look deeper than a few practice matches to get our expectations, unfortunately some never will.

Geelong were missing about 10-12 players in that match. If people want to bring out these NAB Cup/Challenge examples as reasons why these performances mean nothing, use valid ones. Sounds like excuses to me.

 

[In the Blood]

OK, I just got home from dinner and a few beers after going to the game today. I haven't read this thread yet because I don't want to cloud my thoughts, Also, I missed the first 1/4 which is probably a good thing. So here I go:-

-I stood in the pocket in front of the Scum's social club where most of the Scum team were having a good laugh watching their Rnd 1 opponents fumble around on their home ground. I have to say whilst I had to spit on their oval when I walked on after the game, it was fantastic to watch a game of football on a semi suburban ground in great nick. We can only hope that we can play practice games in the future at Punt Road Oval as it was great to get up close and see/hear/smell these guys go about their work.
-Deledio is a gun. I have a severe man crush. He is in peak fitness and holds our backline together moreso than the skip today. Could be anything in any team. Watched several second and third efforts and him flying into packs he really shouldn't be in on a regular basis. Thought he was our best backman.
-Lucky McGuanne was fantastic. He showed why he is still the best KPD we have and even though the balls kept relentlessly firing in, he didn't let many through.
-Rance was OK. Not great but OK. I think he might even be in our best 22. He has good size and great endeavor as we know. He is still a bit eratic but I think he might just make it. Is becoming more composed even with a few clangers.
-Vickery is our number 1 fwd at the moment. Lead hard and kicked some good goals. He has very good hands and getting better every week.
-We don't have a ruckman. Gus and TV both spend their whole time looking at the other ruckman , then jump early and miss the contest. I don't recall any desisive takeaways from the centre resulting from our ruckman. This is probably the biggest problem we have. We will not be a winning team again until we fix this gaping problem. To make matters worse, whenever they get the ball their field kicking is absolutely shocking. They are forced to prop and hand pass. A sorry state of affairs in this area.
-Jack is way too underdone and short of a miracle will not be back to his best until at least rnd 3. Was double teamed and the delivery was terrible. He did take a screamer but if that is our plan we are going nowhere.
-Post is our third tall. Forget Miller. This kid is getting bigger and showed more in a few fleeting moments than I saw Miller give us in 3 games.
-White is a liability and Edwards is not far behind.
-Kingy needs to remember he is a mongrel from Heidelberg and not Maurice Rioli dodging and weaving through traffic. He needs to just get it, do one shimmy and then get rid of it. Ellusive is not he. Otherwise still a keeper.
-We missed Ciotchin soooooo much today. Very little polish around the ball.
-Having said that, wasn't it great to see Axle spliting packs and going for several dashes toady. He looks in great shape and looks like he is back and ready. Pity he had nobody to kick it to when he broke out of the congestion.
-Batchelor I think may have overtaken Connors already. The kid has good size, good disposal and makes good desicions in traffic. I like what I see.
-STRUCTURE.......GAME PLAN...... we don't have. One can only hope we are hiding it from Carlton until Round one. Maybe our entire preseason is one big 'Rope-a-dope' for the rest of the competition because what I saw today was pretty scary. Unfortunately we look like 0 and 5 at least again this year.

 

[Stuart]

2 positives today.
Foley has still got it.
The blonde on cotchin's arm.
Rest was sh!te.

 

[Streak]

Geelong were missing about 10-12 players in that match. If people want to bring out these NAB Cup/Challenge examples as reasons why these performances mean nothing, use valid ones. Sounds like excuses to me.

Come on Barnzy. If we had won by 12 goals and people were excited about our prospects this season, you'd be telling us these games are meaningless.

Don't be a hypocrite

 

[Barnzy]

Come on Barnzy. If we had won by 12 goals and people were excited about our prospects this season, you'd be telling us these games are meaningless.

Don't be a hypocrite

How can I be a hypocrite from a hypothetical that never happened? That's quite amusing. Also, no I wouldn't. Didn't put any dampeners on the Port win.

 

[Streak]

How can I be a hypocrite from a hypothetical that never happened? That's quite amusing. Also, no I wouldn't.

Whatever.

 

[beijing tiger]

you all seriously think we can make the 8? no- we have to turn about 4 more players over and hope that the rest improve- lazy footballers I dont like that at all. if they have a dip ok but not happy that the bulk did not have a dip.

 

[Skills]

How does one team in the modern era of football consistently display inept & non-competitive performances?
After watching the Tigers yesterday afternoon, I'd be very surprised if the likes of Rievoldt, Deledio & Cotchin are wearing yellow & black beyond 2012. It's like holding a PhD in Medical Science and working as the Store Manager at Piedimonte's Supermarket in Nth Fitzroy.

 

[Brodders17]

what i noticed on the vision whilst working:

whilst i cant comment on his game as a whole, vickery showed more signs of a good player. a couple of strong grabs, and has composure and time with the ball. ditto to a lesser degree post.
foley is showing some good signs.
astbury was outmarked about 3 times in the first quarter. i think they resulted in 3 goals. he has a bit of a way to go before he can claim to be a good KPD.
in the last quarter, when the crows were running wild, we had centre square setups like vickery rucking to helbig nahas and jackson. i doubt we will ever see that in a game that matters.

many on here want youngsters played, then a very quick to claim the sky is falling when they struggle. while there was plenty to be disappointed about today we have no idea what the coaches were looking to get out of it, what the training load has been like, what players fitness is like etc.
not every player who runs out in a practice match is fit. jack played his first game for the year. newman too. lids has played a half before this week. thats 3 pretty important players who im guessing arent near their best. jackson has missed part of the pre-season. post too. thats another key midfielder and our chf who arent fully fit.
maybe thats making excuses. maybe we will be sh!t this year again and today was indicative of what we will get this year.
or maybe today was just another praccie match, where things were tried, where key players had more match practice, where some kids had another run against afl opposition, and come 2 weeks it will mean little. i hope that is it.

 

[Feeling Tigerish]

its not the youngsters that are the problem.

 

[Phar Ace]

the 'sooking' posts, as you put it, are actually the honest ones.

I've never understood why many people on this board would prefer to be lied to. Are they that fragile?

Yeah, good post.

I understand the desire for hope though........

 

[Phar Ace]

astbury was outmarked about 3 times in the first quarter. i think they resulted in 3 goals. he has a bit of a way to go before he can claim to be a good KPD.

Still don't understand the BIG wraps on this kid. He's OK up forward when allowed to be a free thinker, but down back, I reckon he's been a stinker so far. Granted I haven't seen all his games, but he was outclassed against the Lions in 2010 and his televised game in the NAB game was very average.

He's a keeper still and needs time, just don't get the big bags of love..............

 

[Leysy Days]

what i noticed on the vision whilst working:

whilst i cant comment on his game as a whole, vickery showed more signs of a good player. a couple of strong grabs, and has composure and time with the ball. ditto to a lesser degree post.
foley is showing some good signs.
astbury was outmarked about 3 times in the first quarter. i think they resulted in 3 goals. he has a bit of a way to go before he can claim to be a good KPD.
in the last quarter, when the crows were running wild, we had centre square setups like vickery rucking to helbig nahas and jackson. i doubt we will ever see that in a game that matters.

many on here want youngsters played, then a very quick to claim the sky is falling when they struggle. while there was plenty to be disappointed about today we have no idea what the coaches were looking to get out of it, what the training load has been like, what players fitness is like etc.
not every player who runs out in a practice match is fit. jack played his first game for the year. newman too. lids has played a half before this week. thats 3 pretty important players who im guessing arent near their best. jackson has missed part of the pre-season. post too. thats another key midfielder and our chf who arent fully fit.
maybe thats making excuses. maybe we will be sh!t this year again and today was indicative of what we will get this year.
or maybe today was just another praccie match, where things were tried, where key players had more match practice, where some kids had another run against afl opposition, and come 2 weeks it will mean little. i hope that is it.

A lot pf possible reasons there Brodders. Navy doesnt buy them. Nor does the coach judging by his after match comments.

 

[Mikee]

what i noticed on the vision whilst working:

whilst i cant comment on his game as a whole, vickery showed more signs of a good player. a couple of strong grabs, and has composure and time with the ball. ditto to a lesser degree post.
foley is showing some good signs.
astbury was outmarked about 3 times in the first quarter. i think they resulted in 3 goals. he has a bit of a way to go before he can claim to be a good KPD.
in the last quarter, when the crows were running wild, we had centre square setups like vickery rucking to helbig nahas and jackson. i doubt we will ever see that in a game that matters.

many on here want youngsters played, then a very quick to claim the sky is falling when they struggle. while there was plenty to be disappointed about today we have no idea what the coaches were looking to get out of it, what the training load has been like, what players fitness is like etc.
not every player who runs out in a practice match is fit. jack played his first game for the year. newman too. lids has played a half before this week. thats 3 pretty important players who im guessing arent near their best. jackson has missed part of the pre-season. post too. thats another key midfielder and our chf who arent fully fit.
maybe thats making excuses. maybe we will be sh!t this year again and today was indicative of what we will get this year.
or maybe today was just another praccie match, where things were tried, where key players had more match practice, where some kids had another run against afl opposition, and come 2 weeks it will mean little. i hope that is it.

We aren't gelling and creating as a TEAM. I've said it in another post but will re-iterate it again that we dont support each other enough. Our forward thrusts and plays generally come down to too many individual efforts. Adelaide is a perfect example of how they support, run and are coached. It is obvious that they are all drilled to create and support alot more than we currently are insturcted to. They play like a well oiled machine. Yes Newman was having his first hitout of the pre-season, as was Jack but we basically had out best 22 out there minus Cotchin & Moore. We had a decent enough team to produce and show alot more than they did; hence IMO a very poor performance, yet again mainly due to our game-plan. Im praying for a miracle round 1. I can't see how we are all of a sudden going to 'flick on the switch' and play inspired, gut running, team orientated football to win this match. Anything under a 6 goal defeat, going by what i've seen over this pre-season will unfortunately be a good result; but really isn't acceptable. (Sorry i'm a little intoxicated).

GO TIGES!!!

 

[Sintiger]

the 'sooking' posts, as you put it, are actually the honest ones.

I've never understood why many people on this board would prefer to be lied to. Are they that fragile?

That's not the point , its the over reaction of many here. The team's overall improvement will be judged over a longer period than a couple of practice matches . The sky is not falling in , we haven't kicked one ball for Premiership points as yet .
Even if we are losing early in the season I am still going to be waiting to judge the team over the whole year.
The practice match form is very disappointing but some of us won't jump to conclusions about whether the 2011 team has moved forward from 2010 based on that form only.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

It's Hardwicks second preseason and questions have to be asked about his gameplan.

Yeah it's a preseason game and we have alot of young players and some players are underdone etc. but at least we should be able to see some signs of an effective game plan.

To me the only clear elements of our game plan are chip the ball around in the back half sideways to the boundary line, and bomb it long once we are forward of the centre.

Run to support, to spread from a contest, to link up and support appears non existent in our game plan. either that or our player are absolutley hopeless at it.

It's the same old story where a player has the ball and has no support from teamates running past, so all he can do is kick it blindly or be tackled. I'm not expecting us to come out in a preseason practice match and link up through the middle from the back line and walk it through the goals. But I do want to see some glimpses that we have practiced this at training during the pre-season.

What have they been practising during the past 4 months?

I'm normally the first to mock those who overact to preseason lossses, but this does have me worried.

ALl preseason our players have revived a short chip at half back... looked inside .. nothing... look down the line... nothing.... waited 20 seconds then bombed it down the line or gone backwards with a deep defensive switch

The long bomb to the forward line is fine if it's from a quick passage a play that hasn't allowed the defense to get back, but if you have been static in the ball movement before the bomb the opposition will have plenty back and the forward won't have a chance

 

[scooty]

Ive been saying since day one we got stooged by getting dimma the guy has know clue about modern day footy im sorry guys i wont him to be a success but i dnt see it