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Rich Vs Adel (March 11th, 2011)-Teams [Merged]
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While we were easily beaten today I feel we are a better team than that. I saw it last time we played the crows. Surely we can't have really become that bad in such a short space of time?
So, in saying that I think the NAB cup and all practice matches should be scrapped. It gives often unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a coming season. Just play intra club games. That way we can't lose and only positives can cone from it. I understand that you can't gain the same match experience from that, that you normally would from playing and actual AFL side. But practice matches really only seem like you can take negatives of what to expect, no matter what. Win by 50 points "it's only a practice match" lose by 50 points "not good enough."
I understand this will never happen if course.
So, in saying that I think the NAB cup and all practice matches should be scrapped. It gives often unrealistic expectations of what to expect in a coming season. Just play intra club games. That way we can't lose and only positives can cone from it. I understand that you can't gain the same match experience from that, that you normally would from playing and actual AFL side. But practice matches really only seem like you can take negatives of what to expect, no matter what. Win by 50 points "it's only a practice match" lose by 50 points "not good enough."
I understand this will never happen if course.
It's Hardwicks second preseason and questions have to be asked about his gameplan.
Yeah it's a preseason game and we have alot of young players and some players are underdone etc. but at least we should be able to see some signs of an effective game plan.
To me the only clear elements of our game plan are chip the ball around in the back half sideways to the boundary line, and bomb it long once we are forward of the centre.
Run to support, to spread from a contest, to link up and support appears non existent in our game plan. either that or our player are absolutley hopeless at it.
It's the same old story where a player has the ball and has no support from teamates running past, so all he can do is kick it blindly or be tackled. I'm not expecting us to come out in a preseason practice match and link up through the middle from the back line and walk it through the goals. But I do want to see some glimpses that we have practiced this at training during the pre-season.
What have they been practising during the past 4 months?
Yeah it's a preseason game and we have alot of young players and some players are underdone etc. but at least we should be able to see some signs of an effective game plan.
To me the only clear elements of our game plan are chip the ball around in the back half sideways to the boundary line, and bomb it long once we are forward of the centre.
Run to support, to spread from a contest, to link up and support appears non existent in our game plan. either that or our player are absolutley hopeless at it.
It's the same old story where a player has the ball and has no support from teamates running past, so all he can do is kick it blindly or be tackled. I'm not expecting us to come out in a preseason practice match and link up through the middle from the back line and walk it through the goals. But I do want to see some glimpses that we have practiced this at training during the pre-season.
What have they been practising during the past 4 months?
Harry said:
It's all trial and error Harold.
Post and Vickery should be getting more games this year in attack as they look more seasoned now.
allybabe said:
What the hell have they done to the ground??
That ugly grey box was an eyesore!!
TigerForce said:
I don't have a problem with Vickery or Post or any of our big men.
I don't care if it's trial error - as long as I can see us trialling an effective game plan and making errors I won't mind. But I don't see it. All I can see is the same old conservative game plan where you chip the ball around in the back half, hit a brick wall and bomb long, then rely on a scrap to get the ball back. We are not showing any signs of an effective game plan where we take on the opposition and work the ball through the ground in numbers running and linking up and supporting the man in possession. Players are still conservative, selfish, lazy and confused about where to run - they are unwilling to leave their opponent and run hard to create a second/third/fourth running support link up option for the man in possession.
We are playing 70's football in 2011, which is why we are so behind the other teams. It being a practice match does not justify the complete lack of a modern game plan.
Collo said:
Went to the game today and it looked like that Richmond were treating the game as if it was the first practice game of the season and Adelaide as if it was the first home and away game of the season.
The most glaring difference was that when a Richmond player had the ball there were no options beside him or forward of him. No one running past or into space to provide an option. Invariably the ball went backwards, and like dejavu, the same process was performed. Most of the time our players had that kangaroo look (your know, in the headlights just before the Kenilworth hits) this resulted in poor disposal and therefore lots of turnovers. Adelaide, for the most part, looked crisp and clean. When their player got it they usually had a couple of close in options, one running past and a couple long options to choose from.
Adelaide look they are not going to repeat last years slow start when they spun their wheels for about 6 rounds. I reckon they'll have rubber on the road pretty quick. I don't know what their draw is like, but I think they'll be very competitive from the start.
For the Tigers the positives were Foley (some signs of Nathan circa pre 2010), Grigg, Houli (possession wise not disposal wise), Post occassionaly (he seems though to have an aversion for the real hard ball and the hard chase on those backmen that will run off him) and Rance who, to my eye, did some good defensive work in the second and third quarters. I wont criticize the defensive aspects of the back line as Adelaide were running it in there without a lot of pressure from our forwards or midfielders.
I will be critical of our ability to set up attacks from the back line though. There doesn't appear anyone capable of running the lines or tacking the risk for looking for the long and loose option. It's safety first and that's a hand pass or kick backwards. Also our kick in from a point strategy is akin to playing Russian Roulette which we seem to loose more often than not. Adelaide had few 7 point plays today.
Most of the senior players ( Delidio, Newman etc) were conspicuous in their inability to really get involved in the game.
The bottom line is that today was lousy effort. We know though, that from the last 13 weeks of last year Richmond has the talent to be competitive with most teams.
I think this year's team is better.
If Dimma and his team can get the players ready 'between the ears' in the next couple of weeks, then they should will be competitive. A repeat of today's effort would be unacceptable.
Harry said:
Totally agree. We still have a lot of joggers and squibs which proves that Dimma and the players still haven't moulded with each other yet.
I doubt Dimma's just continued with Frawley's and Wallace's game plan. Maybe he was trying something different today.
It's just gonna take time until everything fits into place. If players keep failing, then they must go. I'd rather assess where we are at during H&A games.
Vision was bit choppy, but the lack of run was obvious even on a dodgy stream.
Perhaps related to that is that while most others teams have a runner forward and outside or in side of the carrier our players are lateral or behind the ball carrier or in front of the carrier but static, Could be intensity or could be either the message is wrong or the players haven't got the message yet.
Need to make some decisions on White, Mcguane and Jackson too has had a really poor pre season.
Rance looked better from the staccatto feed but still dropped some easy marks and made some howlers. All power to him though.
I'd probably play him first round. Thursty needs to play and Moore if fit, Maybe even Grimesy. Graham looked totally inneffective. I'd risk Derricks with Vickery and Post to support.
Rd 1 for me
O'Reilly (wont happen) Thursty Moore/Grimes
Lids Rance Newman
Cotchin Martin Conca
Edwards Astbury Grigg
Vickery Jack Houli
Derricks Tuck Foley
Post Connors Hellbig sub:Batchelor
Forward line looks big - we'll miss Kingy and we need some others like Hicks and Taylor to stand up andd add to our forward pressure, White and Nahas will probably get games by default as pressure forwards.
Perhaps related to that is that while most others teams have a runner forward and outside or in side of the carrier our players are lateral or behind the ball carrier or in front of the carrier but static, Could be intensity or could be either the message is wrong or the players haven't got the message yet.
Need to make some decisions on White, Mcguane and Jackson too has had a really poor pre season.
Rance looked better from the staccatto feed but still dropped some easy marks and made some howlers. All power to him though.
I'd probably play him first round. Thursty needs to play and Moore if fit, Maybe even Grimesy. Graham looked totally inneffective. I'd risk Derricks with Vickery and Post to support.
Rd 1 for me
O'Reilly (wont happen) Thursty Moore/Grimes
Lids Rance Newman
Cotchin Martin Conca
Edwards Astbury Grigg
Vickery Jack Houli
Derricks Tuck Foley
Post Connors Hellbig sub:Batchelor
Forward line looks big - we'll miss Kingy and we need some others like Hicks and Taylor to stand up andd add to our forward pressure, White and Nahas will probably get games by default as pressure forwards.
Navy's positoves & negatives for those that care - (he missed the 1st qtr so may be slightly out)
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Foley - better as the game went on. Started to show that direct dash from clearances & good use by gand we know him for. Wont be far off his best after a month into the season.
Helbig - Extremely well balanced young footballer. Heaps to work with.
Conca - whilst unobtrusive unlike a lot of his teammates he has care for the football. Its a massively underrated quality.
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Graham - We badly need one ruckman to stand up. He wont be it.
Jackson - He & Tuck cant play in the same midfield. Navy's no huge wrap of Tucky but he would get the nod.
RFC sports science dept - The comparison of Adelaides players compared to ours is starc. You can tell they are trained to be strong through the core. To AFL standards ours arent. Time for a well overdue overhaul.
Spreading from a contest - Navy's long time bane. It is the biggest reason we cant climb the ladder. Unfortunately no improvement on todays effort.
Other notes. Dusty played well. Grigg won plenty of footy but be prepared for some massive clangers & get on Chimp for the B & F.
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Foley - better as the game went on. Started to show that direct dash from clearances & good use by gand we know him for. Wont be far off his best after a month into the season.
Helbig - Extremely well balanced young footballer. Heaps to work with.
Conca - whilst unobtrusive unlike a lot of his teammates he has care for the football. Its a massively underrated quality.
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Graham - We badly need one ruckman to stand up. He wont be it.
Jackson - He & Tuck cant play in the same midfield. Navy's no huge wrap of Tucky but he would get the nod.
RFC sports science dept - The comparison of Adelaides players compared to ours is starc. You can tell they are trained to be strong through the core. To AFL standards ours arent. Time for a well overdue overhaul.
Spreading from a contest - Navy's long time bane. It is the biggest reason we cant climb the ladder. Unfortunately no improvement on todays effort.
Other notes. Dusty played well. Grigg won plenty of footy but be prepared for some massive clangers & get on Chimp for the B & F.
keepa lids onit said:
pretty sure he was talking to you not agreeing with you.
the quality on this forum is usually much higher than bigfooty style posting. please help to keep it this way & don't post this type of rubbish
Navy Days said:
Totally agree on both. We need better trainers and physios to build strength and muscle into our players.
I reckon this part of the game plan will be repeated umpteen times until it sinks in, otherwise questions WILL be raised.
We still have the players who are hardwired in not positioning themselves properly and unfortunately it causes a chain reaction with the new, inexperienced ones.
im not the one dropping the smile off wording...
he should take a geese at himself......
anyway...
he should take a geese at himself......
anyway...
thought the exact same thing today. Even a lot of their second year guys look like seasoned vetrans physically.Navy Days said:
Adelaide have always understood the importance of strength in modern footy. That's why even in years when they're struggling they never get blown away.
