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Reece Conca - so long and thanks for all the fish
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Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
So the Pies mid field get rotated in and out of the team to keep them fresh, yet Conca a first year kid with one preseason under his belt is expected to suck it up princess? Attitudes like that are what caused some of our long term injuries in the past.
The players are closely monitored for fatigue and recuperation. If Conca is running low, I have no doubt he'll be rested, even if you think it's soft
Elmer said:
So the Pies mid field get rotated in and out of the team to keep them fresh, yet Conca a first year kid with one preseason under his belt is expected to suck it up princess? Attitudes like that are what caused some of our long term injuries in the past.
The players are closely monitored for fatigue and recuperation. If Conca is running low, I have no doubt he'll be rested, even if you think it's soft
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
Even if the argument did hold water he had a rest two weeks ago.
Heh heh, that's a joke right? You should take off your Power Balance bracelet, turn back from your Kabbalah meeting at revisit your latest fad in the required rest hokum.Tiger74 said:
Even if the argument did hold water he had a rest two weeks ago.
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
Not sure I get all this talk about fatigue injuries, tiredness, resting players because they MAY get injuried etc etc..
We don't have the depth at the club to be able to afford this resting like a Geelong or Collingwood may, so therefore why is it even a question ?
One week all I read in here is how we need to "get games into our youngin's, we lack experience to compete consistently", then in the next breath its "so and so needs to be rested, as a first year player he can't be expected to play 22 games out"
My question is simply this !
Why can't he ?
As has been stated, the players have access to all the most modern technology and equipment to get injuries and their bodies back in shape, that certainly weren't available back in the day, they still only play ONE game per week or thereabouts, so that excuse is invalid, they are fulltime footballers, again, totally unlike 20 years ago where nearly every player had a fulltime job as well as playing AFL, why is it we seem to want to make excuses for todays players ?
If you don't have the fitness level to play 4 or 5 games on end and need a "break" to regenerate the body (if not carrying an injury), then that player should probably be playing in a Country league somewere would be my take on things.
Not sure I get all this talk about fatigue injuries, tiredness, resting players because they MAY get injuried etc etc..
We don't have the depth at the club to be able to afford this resting like a Geelong or Collingwood may, so therefore why is it even a question ?
One week all I read in here is how we need to "get games into our youngin's, we lack experience to compete consistently", then in the next breath its "so and so needs to be rested, as a first year player he can't be expected to play 22 games out"
My question is simply this !
Why can't he ?
As has been stated, the players have access to all the most modern technology and equipment to get injuries and their bodies back in shape, that certainly weren't available back in the day, they still only play ONE game per week or thereabouts, so that excuse is invalid, they are fulltime footballers, again, totally unlike 20 years ago where nearly every player had a fulltime job as well as playing AFL, why is it we seem to want to make excuses for todays players ?
If you don't have the fitness level to play 4 or 5 games on end and need a "break" to regenerate the body (if not carrying an injury), then that player should probably be playing in a Country league somewere would be my take on things.
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
I'm no fitness expert but reckon that's a pretty nieve post jack. These guys are elite athletes, in how many sports do you see competitors try and maintain peak condition for 7 months of the year. And it taks years to build the fitness base to be able to handle the training and playing loads. And trying to compare it to 20 years ago makes no sense.
jackfrost said:
I'm no fitness expert but reckon that's a pretty nieve post jack. These guys are elite athletes, in how many sports do you see competitors try and maintain peak condition for 7 months of the year. And it taks years to build the fitness base to be able to handle the training and playing loads. And trying to compare it to 20 years ago makes no sense.
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
They probably do as much running in the country leagues as the AFL did 20 years ago.
Conca is a first year player, rotating on the ball and spent a fair chunk of his first and only pre-season in a moon boot. Fatigue would definitely be something the fitness people would be monitoring. OP is theast thing we want him to have.
Interesting that the club with the most advanced fitness, medical and training technology rest their mature midfielders, even flying them overseas to recharge them. If there was nothing in it, would they drop the half a million that they have ?
They probably do as much running in the country leagues as the AFL did 20 years ago.
Conca is a first year player, rotating on the ball and spent a fair chunk of his first and only pre-season in a moon boot. Fatigue would definitely be something the fitness people would be monitoring. OP is theast thing we want him to have.
Interesting that the club with the most advanced fitness, medical and training technology rest their mature midfielders, even flying them overseas to recharge them. If there was nothing in it, would they drop the half a million that they have ?
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
I only go with what I see and Know.
He looked like he needs a rest.
Seems straight forward to me to rest someone, if you think when they return they will provide more for the team.
We have to remember hes only had 1 pre-season, and we all know that wasn't a full one at that.
Happy with whatever the club decides, they're in the know.
I only go with what I see and Know.
He looked like he needs a rest.
Seems straight forward to me to rest someone, if you think when they return they will provide more for the team.
We have to remember hes only had 1 pre-season, and we all know that wasn't a full one at that.
Happy with whatever the club decides, they're in the know.
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
This is the one thing that gives me some confidence now. In the past, we didn't have the resources to make proper assessments, hence some of the stupid decisions to play guys and prolong their problems (and then you have Wally and Foley, but thats another story :hihi).
Have to admit I was surprised to hear the frequency of testing (both physical and medical) the players undergo now at RFC to monitor things like fatigue, recovery, and load management.
Probably a good sign is even with our injuries, this is the first season we have not had threads questioning the medical team and their decisions. Their management of Cotchin, Foley, and Griffiths has been great so far IMO. Also reckon if we were two years ago, Moore would have been needled and played at some stage, and Griff thrown in weeks ago (just me being cynical though).
Tigers of Old said:
This is the one thing that gives me some confidence now. In the past, we didn't have the resources to make proper assessments, hence some of the stupid decisions to play guys and prolong their problems (and then you have Wally and Foley, but thats another story :hihi).
Have to admit I was surprised to hear the frequency of testing (both physical and medical) the players undergo now at RFC to monitor things like fatigue, recovery, and load management.
Probably a good sign is even with our injuries, this is the first season we have not had threads questioning the medical team and their decisions. Their management of Cotchin, Foley, and Griffiths has been great so far IMO. Also reckon if we were two years ago, Moore would have been needled and played at some stage, and Griff thrown in weeks ago (just me being cynical though).
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
Its STILL only a game of Footy BCL, lets not make this out to be something its not mate...........I understand the game has gone 21 St century and all, but its still just peeps running around a field chasing an inflated ball and trying to score, nothing more, nothing less.
And each individual is different, that part of the game and humans in general hasn't changed I'd be willing to bet.
Now me, I was a whippet in my playing days and stayed pretty fit all year round as I played sports the entire year.....others in my team needed more training to reach their peak and the fact that they also liked a beer during the time away probably also played its part I dare say, some have a metabolism that allows that, some don't...............and hell, lets not forget that it was only 20 odd years ago you'd still see blokes having a ciggy at halftime or even 3/4 time and it didn't seem to ever effect any of them running out a game that didn't even have the "interchange" back then either.
As Baloo mentioned in his post, Country League players would train as much, if not longer than AFL players in terms of time spent on the track (I know I did) and under far less perfect conditions than those today, NOT in gyms or weightrooms, or watching tape etc and certainly no more than they did 20 years ago...........I bet the kicking skills and tackling are practiced far less these days than in bygone years also, as they cant risk injuries to these highly paid athletes who are so prone to injuries these days that its simply not worth the chance it seems.
I get that they are "fined tuned", but maybe the problem is they are to much that way and therefore unable to last for longer periods like footballers of Old ?....... maybe they are more tuned like sprinters or runners in general where there isn't the physicality involved ?...thats what it seems to me anyway and after watching how a guy like Roughead ruptured an achilles last week, what other explanation could anyone come too other than the fact that todays footballer is maybe training and spending to much time with weights and endurance, than the old 1 on 1 full-on tackling drills or simple skill drills of yesteryear.
Yep, that may well be naive of me to think BCL, but I still say just because the game has got faster and played by bigger stronger athletes, that doesn't mean its any less tiring than it was 20 or even 50 years ago mate......... the game evolves, therefore so do the combatants whether we like it or not, kinda of like the rules of the game compared to those times........but thats another debate altogeher, isn't it !!!
Big Cat Lover said:
Its STILL only a game of Footy BCL, lets not make this out to be something its not mate...........I understand the game has gone 21 St century and all, but its still just peeps running around a field chasing an inflated ball and trying to score, nothing more, nothing less.
And each individual is different, that part of the game and humans in general hasn't changed I'd be willing to bet.
Now me, I was a whippet in my playing days and stayed pretty fit all year round as I played sports the entire year.....others in my team needed more training to reach their peak and the fact that they also liked a beer during the time away probably also played its part I dare say, some have a metabolism that allows that, some don't...............and hell, lets not forget that it was only 20 odd years ago you'd still see blokes having a ciggy at halftime or even 3/4 time and it didn't seem to ever effect any of them running out a game that didn't even have the "interchange" back then either.
As Baloo mentioned in his post, Country League players would train as much, if not longer than AFL players in terms of time spent on the track (I know I did) and under far less perfect conditions than those today, NOT in gyms or weightrooms, or watching tape etc and certainly no more than they did 20 years ago...........I bet the kicking skills and tackling are practiced far less these days than in bygone years also, as they cant risk injuries to these highly paid athletes who are so prone to injuries these days that its simply not worth the chance it seems.
I get that they are "fined tuned", but maybe the problem is they are to much that way and therefore unable to last for longer periods like footballers of Old ?....... maybe they are more tuned like sprinters or runners in general where there isn't the physicality involved ?...thats what it seems to me anyway and after watching how a guy like Roughead ruptured an achilles last week, what other explanation could anyone come too other than the fact that todays footballer is maybe training and spending to much time with weights and endurance, than the old 1 on 1 full-on tackling drills or simple skill drills of yesteryear.
Yep, that may well be naive of me to think BCL, but I still say just because the game has got faster and played by bigger stronger athletes, that doesn't mean its any less tiring than it was 20 or even 50 years ago mate......... the game evolves, therefore so do the combatants whether we like it or not, kinda of like the rules of the game compared to those times........but thats another debate altogeher, isn't it !!!
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
Batchelor got a rest last week but that's no guarantee Conca will. I think he'll play against he Dees.
Batchelor got a rest last week but that's no guarantee Conca will. I think he'll play against he Dees.
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
Another minor problem that occurs with players being so much heavier and stronger nowadays, is that no amount of training will bulk up the ligaments or tendons. Stronger heavier bodies playing in power bursts of footy loads the crap out of all the hinges putting the players at far higher risk of tearing things.
The games not just faster frosty, it's played in more explosive bursts than ever before. Instead of mids just shuffling through 100 minutes of game time with the occaisional burst of speed, they sprint from contest to contest for a brief period rest for a couple of minutes and go back to burst sprinting again.jackfrost said:Its STILL only a game of Footy BCL, lets not make this out to be something its not mate...........I understand the game has gone 21 St century and all, but its still just peeps running around a field chasing an inflated ball and trying to score, nothing more, nothing less.
And each individual is different, that part of the game and humans in general hasn't changed I'd be willing to bet.
Now me, I was a whippet in my playing days and stayed pretty fit all year round as I played sports the entire year.....others in my team needed more training to reach their peak and the fact that they also liked a beer during the time away probably also played its part I dare say, some have a metabolism that allows that, some don't...............and hell, lets not forget that it was only 20 odd years ago you'd still see blokes having a ciggy at halftime or even 3/4 time and it didn't seem to ever effect any of them running out a game that didn't even have the "interchange" back then either.
As Baloo mentioned in his post, Country League players would train as much, if not longer than AFL players in terms of time spent on the track (I know I did) and under far less perfect conditions than those today, NOT in gyms or weightrooms, or watching tape etc and certainly no more than they did 20 years ago...........I bet the kicking skills and tackling are practiced far less these days than in bygone years also, as they cant risk injuries to these highly paid athletes who are so prone to injuries these days that its simply not worth the chance it seems.
I get that they are "fined tuned", but maybe the problem is they are to much that way and therefore unable to last for longer periods like footballers of Old ?....... maybe they are more tuned like sprinters or runners in general where there isn't the physicality involved ?...thats what it seems to me anyway and after watching how a guy like Roughead ruptured an achilles last week, what other explanation could anyone come too other than the fact that todays footballer is maybe training and spending to much time with weights and endurance, than the old 1 on 1 full-on tackling drills or simple skill drills of yesteryear.
Yep, that may well be naive of me to think BCL, but I still say just because the game has got faster and played by bigger stronger athletes, that doesn't mean its any less tiring than it was 20 or even 50 years ago mate......... the game evolves, therefore so do the combatants whether we like it or not, kinda of like the rules of the game compared to those times........but thats another debate altogeher, isn't it !!!
Another minor problem that occurs with players being so much heavier and stronger nowadays, is that no amount of training will bulk up the ligaments or tendons. Stronger heavier bodies playing in power bursts of footy loads the crap out of all the hinges putting the players at far higher risk of tearing things.
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
First of all, 20 years ago I don't think 18 year olds were expected to come in and play a season in the seniors, if at all. There may have been a few exceptions but I don't think it was like today.
Secondly, Reece Conca has come from playing u18's last year to the AFL, and is putting his body under a greater work load than he has before. When he plays, trains or does weights or running, he damages muscles, ligaments, bones, etc. This damage is not necessarily enough to cause injury and the body can recover, but since he is under a heavier work load than before it can build up and lead to injury. Matt Dea is an example - he developed a stress fracture in his foot last year, due to the increased work load he was under. I think Trent Cotchins early achilles injuries were also due in part to him having achilles tendons/calves that weren't developed enough for the work load required of an AFL player.
I don't know if Reece needs a rest but if the medical and conditioning staff at Richmond think he does, then there is a valid reason for it.
jackfrost said:Its STILL only a game of Footy BCL, lets not make this out to be something its not mate...........I understand the game has gone 21 St century and all, but its still just peeps running around a field chasing an inflated ball and trying to score, nothing more, nothing less.
And each individual is different, that part of the game and humans in general hasn't changed I'd be willing to bet.
Now me, I was a whippet in my playing days and stayed pretty fit all year round as I played sports the entire year.....others in my team needed more training to reach their peak and the fact that they also liked a beer during the time away probably also played its part I dare say, some have a metabolism that allows that, some don't...............and hell, lets not forget that it was only 20 odd years ago you'd still see blokes having a ciggy at halftime or even 3/4 time and it didn't seem to ever effect any of them running out a game that didn't even have the "interchange" back then either.
As Baloo mentioned in his post, Country League players would train as much, if not longer than AFL players in terms of time spent on the track (I know I did) and under far less perfect conditions than those today, NOT in gyms or weightrooms, or watching tape etc and certainly no more than they did 20 years ago...........I bet the kicking skills and tackling are practiced far less these days than in bygone years also, as they cant risk injuries to these highly paid athletes who are so prone to injuries these days that its simply not worth the chance it seems.
I get that they are "fined tuned", but maybe the problem is they are to much that way and therefore unable to last for longer periods like footballers of Old ?....... maybe they are more tuned like sprinters or runners in general where there isn't the physicality involved ?...thats what it seems to me anyway and after watching how a guy like Roughead ruptured an achilles last week, what other explanation could anyone come too other than the fact that todays footballer is maybe training and spending to much time with weights and endurance, than the old 1 on 1 full-on tackling drills or simple skill drills of yesteryear.
Yep, that may well be naive of me to think BCL, but I still say just because the game has got faster and played by bigger stronger athletes, that doesn't mean its any less tiring than it was 20 or even 50 years ago mate......... the game evolves, therefore so do the combatants whether we like it or not, kinda of like the rules of the game compared to those times........but thats another debate altogeher, isn't it !!!
First of all, 20 years ago I don't think 18 year olds were expected to come in and play a season in the seniors, if at all. There may have been a few exceptions but I don't think it was like today.
Secondly, Reece Conca has come from playing u18's last year to the AFL, and is putting his body under a greater work load than he has before. When he plays, trains or does weights or running, he damages muscles, ligaments, bones, etc. This damage is not necessarily enough to cause injury and the body can recover, but since he is under a heavier work load than before it can build up and lead to injury. Matt Dea is an example - he developed a stress fracture in his foot last year, due to the increased work load he was under. I think Trent Cotchins early achilles injuries were also due in part to him having achilles tendons/calves that weren't developed enough for the work load required of an AFL player.
I don't know if Reece needs a rest but if the medical and conditioning staff at Richmond think he does, then there is a valid reason for it.
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
Reckon you've gone from nieve to plain silly with that. Todays footballers would run rings around those of 20 years ago in relation to running capacity. Not because they were better athletes to begin with but because of the training/diet etc. The game now demands end to end running from almost all players, it never did 20 years ago. I would guess your "pretty fit" from 20 years ago would leave you last in any running test with todays AFL footballers.
jackfrost said:Its STILL only a game of Footy BCL, lets not make this out to be something its not mate...........I understand the game has gone 21 St century and all, but its still just peeps running around a field chasing an inflated ball and trying to score, nothing more, nothing less.
And each individual is different, that part of the game and humans in general hasn't changed I'd be willing to bet.
Now me, I was a whippet in my playing days and stayed pretty fit all year round as I played sports the entire year.....others in my team needed more training to reach their peak and the fact that they also liked a beer during the time away probably also played its part I dare say, some have a metabolism that allows that, some don't...............and hell, lets not forget that it was only 20 odd years ago you'd still see blokes having a ciggy at halftime or even 3/4 time and it didn't seem to ever effect any of them running out a game that didn't even have the "interchange" back then either.
As Baloo mentioned in his post, Country League players would train as much, if not longer than AFL players in terms of time spent on the track (I know I did) and under far less perfect conditions than those today, NOT in gyms or weightrooms, or watching tape etc and certainly no more than they did 20 years ago...........I bet the kicking skills and tackling are practiced far less these days than in bygone years also, as they cant risk injuries to these highly paid athletes who are so prone to injuries these days that its simply not worth the chance it seems.
I get that they are "fined tuned", but maybe the problem is they are to much that way and therefore unable to last for longer periods like footballers of Old ?....... maybe they are more tuned like sprinters or runners in general where there isn't the physicality involved ?...thats what it seems to me anyway and after watching how a guy like Roughead ruptured an achilles last week, what other explanation could anyone come too other than the fact that todays footballer is maybe training and spending to much time with weights and endurance, than the old 1 on 1 full-on tackling drills or simple skill drills of yesteryear.
Yep, that may well be naive of me to think BCL, but I still say just because the game has got faster and played by bigger stronger athletes, that doesn't mean its any less tiring than it was 20 or even 50 years ago mate......... the game evolves, therefore so do the combatants whether we like it or not, kinda of like the rules of the game compared to those times........but thats another debate altogeher, isn't it !!!
Reckon you've gone from nieve to plain silly with that. Todays footballers would run rings around those of 20 years ago in relation to running capacity. Not because they were better athletes to begin with but because of the training/diet etc. The game now demands end to end running from almost all players, it never did 20 years ago. I would guess your "pretty fit" from 20 years ago would leave you last in any running test with todays AFL footballers.
Re: Reece "Squirrel" Conca
Don't disagree with that at all TM, but again, the laws and game have change to accomodate this with all the interchanges allowed, therefore players get that rest they need from what I can tell, to be able to do the explosive bursts for a full game.
Agree about the tendons and ligament injuries, the human body wasn't meant to be punished unconditionally like it is and thats why so many have taken the route of steroids or illegal practices over the years, sad but true.
Hope this isn't the case with the AFL in the years to come like it has been the norm in all the sports over here in the States the past 20 years or so.
The more money the higher risk though, so its probably inevitable unfortunately.
I don't believe I have said anywhere that if the Medical staff recommends that he needs to be rested, that he shouldn't be, have I ?
You'd be surprised how many 18 year olds played back then and even far younger than that also, different era, different time though, so quite irrelevant to compare though.
Again your missing the entire point..... so what that they would run rings around them in relation to "RUNNING" capacity, I don't think Ive disputed that...... does being able to run great distances, for greater lengths of time mean better footballers today ?........I don't believe it does, thats all Im saying here.
If all I wanted to see were people with great "running capacity" then I'd go watch athletes who compete in Track events like the 10,000 and Marathon, who cares that they can run, that doesnt make them better footballers, there's more to the game than simply running, do skills not mean anything ?
and for God sakes...... its "NAIVE", to get it so wrong again (even after I spelt it correctly for you) is inexcusable.
TigerMasochist said:
Don't disagree with that at all TM, but again, the laws and game have change to accomodate this with all the interchanges allowed, therefore players get that rest they need from what I can tell, to be able to do the explosive bursts for a full game.
Agree about the tendons and ligament injuries, the human body wasn't meant to be punished unconditionally like it is and thats why so many have taken the route of steroids or illegal practices over the years, sad but true.
Hope this isn't the case with the AFL in the years to come like it has been the norm in all the sports over here in the States the past 20 years or so.
The more money the higher risk though, so its probably inevitable unfortunately.
bandoftigers said:
I don't believe I have said anywhere that if the Medical staff recommends that he needs to be rested, that he shouldn't be, have I ?
You'd be surprised how many 18 year olds played back then and even far younger than that also, different era, different time though, so quite irrelevant to compare though.
Big Cat Lover said:
Again your missing the entire point..... so what that they would run rings around them in relation to "RUNNING" capacity, I don't think Ive disputed that...... does being able to run great distances, for greater lengths of time mean better footballers today ?........I don't believe it does, thats all Im saying here.
If all I wanted to see were people with great "running capacity" then I'd go watch athletes who compete in Track events like the 10,000 and Marathon, who cares that they can run, that doesnt make them better footballers, there's more to the game than simply running, do skills not mean anything ?
and for God sakes...... its "NAIVE", to get it so wrong again (even after I spelt it correctly for you) is inexcusable.
