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Reece Conca - so long and thanks for all the fish

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

ninjahaha said:
Both on the fringe, both offer different strengths/weaknesses.


Conca's tools benefit the way we play. Miles is only depth, although I love the way he goes about his footy I can't see any upside. Every year is the same for Conca, if he gets continuity will become an Asset. His body has robbed us of a very good footballer. Can continue to be a valuable player if he stays on the park.

If Miles didn't get a game with both Prestia and Caddy out it's hard to know what circumstances would give him a game. Maybe if both Martin and Cotchin were out?
 
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I thought he was shocking in the first two weeks and only slightly better against the Hawks. Poor/slow decision making, not kicking to space, etc. I wanted him dropped.

Against the lions he was much, much better. Breaking tackles, showing urgency, etc. Don't care how many touches he gets but I'm happy for him to get a game if he plays like that. :clap

Still not as slick with his hands as I would like but the graph is heading in the right direction, and I'm pretty spoilt on that front watching the likes of Titch and co.
 
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tigerlove said:
If Miles didn't get a game with both Prestia and Caddy out it's hard to know what circumstances would give him a game. Maybe if both Martin and Cotchin were out?

Yeah, our game style leaves him down the pecking order. As you say, without a freak circumstance, can't see a roll for him.
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

ninjahaha said:
Both on the fringe, both offer different strengths/weaknesses.


Conca's tools benefit the way we play. Miles is only depth, although I love the way he goes about his footy I can't see any upside. Every year is the same for Conca, if he gets continuity will become an Asset. His body has robbed us of a very good footballer. Can continue to be a valuable player if he stays on the park.

Nuh. A fit and in form Reece isn't on the fringe, he's in the side, and a side that's brutally competitive for a game. Milesy isn't.
 
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tigersnake said:
Nuh. A fit and in form Reece isn't on the fringe,

Agree with that comment.

Reece franks his form against quality opponents and stays fit he is best 22.

But at the moment his body has huge question marks, his form is debatable and he and a hand full of others could put their hands up for positions and roles that dont have a lock yet.




To be clear, I believe if he gets a good run without injury, his form will good enough. Has shown he has the ability. Can still get better, injury permitting.
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

martyshire said:
I thought he was shocking in the first two weeks and only slightly better against the Hawks. Poor/slow decision making, not kicking to space, etc. I wanted him dropped.

Against the lions he was much, much better. Breaking tackles, showing urgency, etc. Don't care how many touches he gets but I'm happy for him to get a game if he plays like that. :clap

Still not as slick with his hands as I would like but the graph is heading in the right direction, and I'm pretty spoilt on that front watching the likes of Titch and co.

Only slightly better than 'shocking' against the Hawks..?
Couldn't disagree more..
Was in top 6, top 8 at worst.
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Tames said:
Why do Conca's mistakes stand out more than other players, especially his kicking?

Here is your nerdy response...

It’s the reticular activating system.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/reticular-activating-system-definition-function.html

Basically you see what you are looking for. Young kids don’t have it which is why it takes an hour to walk 50 metres to the park with them and they look at every rock, pebble, ant and blade of grass. When you are buying a new car you ‘notice’ the one you want more on the road etc.

Everyone doesn’t talk about dusty kicking with no pressure 25m to Charlie Cameron for the first goal(that was called a behind) of the game because we aren’t looking for it. Rhys gets the reverse applied by probably most people. I look for his evasiveness in traffic and it stands out in spades. But I also can’t forget his two goal swinging chip kicks (ala #lolnorth final when we were romping up the ground and Rhys chipped it to them) so his errors also glare to me.
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

RoarEmotion said:
Basically you see what you are looking for.

ninjahaha said:
without a freak circumstance, can't see a roll for him.

so, roar, youre saying that unless Ninja expects to see a big ham and salad roll with grated carrot, beetroot, cheese, onion and that, then all he'll see is a meagre sandwich at best?

Interesting
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Tames said:
Why do Conca's mistakes stand out more than other players, especially his kicking?

Because haters gonna hate, according to famous philosopher Taylor Swift
 
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Blind Turn said:
Because haters gonna hate, according to famous philosopher Taylor Swift

:hihi

I suppose roar emotion's interesting theory applies as rose coloured goggles too.

my old man used to say work hard on your first impression cause it lasts a long time

when my young fella plays footy carnivals, I tell him to go flat knacker in the first quarter of the first game: tackle the ruckman, fly for a speccy, run off the back of the square, take a bounce, blind turn, take the shot.

cause then all the recruiters brains are calibrated to see good stuff.

he doesnt listen to anything I say, but still gets picked.

thanks for providing Roar Emotion. Its really interesting.
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Tames said:
Why do Conca's mistakes stand out more than other players, especially his kicking?

Probably because when he mucks it up, they're often howlers, complete miskicks and obvious turnovers. Personally I think he has a tendency to kick it a bit high which is why he sometimes completely misses his target.
 
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It’s always been the case with whipping boys. RoarEm has given it a technical name but basically people only see what they are looking for. You go in and expect an error riddled performance and you’ll see it. Every whipping boy that was hotly debated is a victim of this.

As an aside, this “reticular activating system” can be handy. Convince yourself you will find a good parking spot, and really believe it, and you’ll be surprised at how easy parking becomes.
 
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Baloo said:
It’s always been the case with whipping boys. RoarEm has given it a technical name but basically people only see what they are looking for. You go in and expect an error riddled performance and you’ll see it. Every whipping boy that was hotly debated is a victim of this.

As an aside, this “reticular activating system” can be handy. Convince yourself you will find a good parking spot, and really believe it, and you’ll be surprised at how easy parking becomes.

Don't agree. Most of the 'whipping' boys over time have earned their calling with a repetitive history of poor disposal or decision-making. Even this year Conca is quite high on the turnover stats. Interestingly per disposal B Ellis and McIntosh are at the top of the list in turnovers. Not surprising.
 
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tigerlove said:
Don't agree. Most of the 'whipping' boys over time have earned their calling with a repetitive history of poor disposal or decision-making. Even this year Conca is quite high on the turnover stats. Interestingly per disposal B Ellis and McIntosh are at the top of the list in turnovers. Not surprising.

The other mistake supporters make, is by spectating through stats.
Watch the game live, then watch the replay and you will see all you need to know.
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

RoarEmotion said:
Basically you see what you are looking for.

So who is "right" in regards Conca? Everyone? Eye of beholder type stuff?
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Blind Turn said:
The other mistake supporters make, is by spectating through stats.
Watch the game live, then watch the replay and you will see all you need to know.

Which is exactly what I do.
 
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Maybe another way of putting it is if you don’t actively think and withhold your preconceived ideas then the brain filters out any evidence to the contrary. When the weight of evidence overwhelms the other way though people will change their minds. Hopefully we can put the injury free run theory to the actual test with Conca and he can also get some dan Jackson evolution in decision making.

Agree with the postings on first impressions matter.
 
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

RoarEmotion said:
Maybe another way of putting it is if you don’t actively think and withhold your preconceived ideas then the brain filters out any evidence to the contrary. When the weight of evidence overwhelms the other way though people will change their minds. Hopefully we can put the injury free run theory to the actual test with Conca and he can also get some dan Jackson evolution in decision making.

Agree with the postings on first impressions matter.

Agree the injury free run is the key. He deserves some luck in this regard.

I think about this in relation to George and his goal kicking and general handling and composure. I don't think there was any argument his goal kicking was schizen and his ball handling poor. The difference were those that thought it was terminal and others who thought it could/would improve. Thankfully he has clearly improved and even his harshest critics (willo, scotty.....) would acknowledge this. Although I imagine the minute he misses an easy shot the comments will return about his poor conversion.

Hopefully Conca can improve on his deficiencies in the same manner.