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Reece Conca - so long and thanks for all the fish

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We played Brisbane, who in all fairness were about a few shades better than witches hats. How he stacks up against teams that matter and in big games is the key. Injury free, at least he has a shot.
 
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MD Jazz said:
So who is "right" in regards Conca? Everyone? Eye of beholder type stuff?
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I'd probably go by the match committee's opinion, and they tend to pick him whenever he is fit.
 
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tigerlove said:
Don't agree. Most of the 'whipping' boys over time have earned their calling with a repetitive history of poor disposal or decision-making. Even this year Conca is quite high on the turnover stats. Interestingly per disposal B Ellis and McIntosh are at the top of the list in turnovers. Not surprising.
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There was no bigger whipping boy than Dan Jackson. JD runner-up in 2009 and JD Medalist in 2013. It wasn't until he won the JD that his whipping boy status dropped a bit but there are still punters on here calling him dud.
 
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Brodders17 said:
I'd probably go by the match committee's opinion, and they tend to pick him whenever he is fit.
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Except for the 13 times they picked him in the VFL...
 
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Baloo said:
There was no bigger whipping boy than Dan Jackson. JD runner-up in 2009 and JD Medalist in 2013. It wasn't until he won the JD that his whipping boy status dropped a bit but there are still punters on here calling him dud.
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Yes and Jacko's disposal wasn't the best. I see a trend. Jacko made it up in other ways. Was very hard at the ball and at his opponent.
 
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MD Jazz said:
Except for the 13 times they picked him in the VFL...
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...when coming back from injury and the side is red hot. Fair dinkum, like most players he's had stints in the seconds, mostly coming back from injury, we all know there's been a lot, and also form. But you distracting, splitting hairs, for the most part Brodders is irrefuteably correct. Check out that word, 'tends'.

I'd actually be interested in an evolution of our whipping boys. We used to have a heap and they were mostly genuinely fatally flawed players, then we didn't have so many and they were mostly OK with a few duds, now we have some good players who just aren't stars.
 
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MD Jazz said:
So who is "right" in regards Conca? Everyone? Eye of beholder type stuff?
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I'm sure someone, somewhere is rocking back and forth in the corner of a dark room saying 'Dusty is a dud' over and over.
 
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tigersnake said:
I'd actually be interested in an evolution of our whipping boys. We used to have a heap and they were mostly genuinely fatally flawed players, then we didn't have so many and they were mostly OK with a few duds, now we have some good players who just aren't stars.
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Rance was a whipping boy early on.
 
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Jason King said:
We played Brisbane, who in all fairness were about a few shades better than witches hats. How he stacks up against teams that matter and in big games is the key. Injury free, at least he has a shot.
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Its true the witches hats thing. But he does have big game form.
 
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tigerlove said:
Rance was a whipping boy early on.
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he was, but its beside the point. Back in the day our whipping boys were poor to middling players. Now they're good to middling players, which every side has. People have a fundamental need to blame or hate on someone. I do it at times, I'd like to think I'm more balanced than your average hater but its not for me to judge really.
 
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maybe an over simplistic observation but Reece in the back six is a liability - Reece in the middle allows him to use his evasive skills and is far more productive.

Reece reminds me of a pre B&F Daniel Jackson - Dan used to butcher the ball and turn it over with little to no pressure. He then "relaxed" more on the ball and his horrendous errors by enlarge vanished. On the Weekend Reece had a silly "dinky" left foot dribble shot for goal at the punt road end. He rushed, did not steady, compose and then have a shot. Its like at times his spacial awareness radar malfunctions.

Can play, just needs to eradicate the 2-3 really bad disposals per game... and over the last two weeks that seems to have happened.
 
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tigersnake said:
he was, but its beside the point. Back in the day our whipping boys were poor to middling players. Now they're good to middling players, which every side has. People have a fundamental need to blame or hate on someone. I do it at times, I'd like to think I'm more balanced than your average hater but its not for me to judge really.
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Duuno, as baloo mentioned Jackson was a whipping boy and he ended up winning a B&F. Edwards has been a real whipping boy in the past as has Grigg. Really in the end it's always going to be your bottom few players, perceived or otherwise, that get games that will be most harshly judged. No doubt we have more depth now so those players are probably on average better than those in the past.
 
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tigersnake said:
Its true the witches hats thing. But he does have big game form.
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Can ypu let me know what games these were? I'm not being facetious I genuinely can't recall Reece peforming particularly well in big games.
 
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CarnTheTiges said:
Can ypu let me know what games these were? I'm not being facetious I genuinely can't recall Reece peforming particularly well in big games.
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Its only my memory, so could be dodgey, but to me he tends to play better the better the opposition are. Thats a general observation from an avowed fan, of course there are individual game exceptions. But he always seems to play well against Hawthorn, and that's going back to when they were winning flags. In recent memory, last year he was great until going down against the crows R6, very good against the Eagles, Collingwood.
 
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tigerlove said:
Duuno, as baloo mentioned Jackson was a whipping boy and he ended up winning a B&F. Edwards has been a real whipping boy in the past as has Grigg. Really in the end it's always going to be your bottom few players, perceived or otherwise, that get games that will be most harshly judged. No doubt we have more depth now so those players are probably on average better than those in the past.
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Interesting Dan Jackson gets brought up in this thread. I already wondered if the same people that were in the Dan Jackson camp are also in the Conca camp. The have similar strengths and shortcomings.

I have no doubt Roar Emotion's theory is correct but I also think supporters rate different things depending on the way they read the game; e.g. where they watch the game from, etc. Someone watching on the TV won't see the same things vs someone sitting in an elevated spot in the stands vs someone in the front row. Someone born in 2000 that plays a lot of FIFA won't value the same things as someone that played 300 games of local footy in the 80s.

Personally I rate creativity, vision, reading the play and risk taking. I turn a blind I to horrible clangers or being caught holding the ball as long as the player rolls the dice. Conversely my best mate rates reliability, contesting and having an impact on the game (getting a lot of the ball) but can't stand clangers. He rates Conca higher than I do, even though we mostly watch games sitting next to each other.
 
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tigersnake said:
Its only my memory, so could be dodgey, but to me he tends to play better the better the opposition are. Thats a general observation from an avowed fan, of course there are individual game exceptions. But he always seems to play well against Hawthorn, and that's going back to when they were winning flags. In recent memory, last year he was great until going down against the crows R6, very good against the Eagles, Collingwood.
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The best I can remember him playing was against the Saints one night. From memory that was 2013, his best season to date. He got injured early in the EF against Carlton that year, and he failed to stand up against lolnorf in the 2015 EF after being rushed back from jnjury.
 
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tigersnake said:
I'm sure someone, somewhere is rocking back and forth in the corner of a dark room saying 'Dusty is a dud' over and over.
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LOL
 
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