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Reece Conca - so long and thanks for all the fish
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Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
Interesting. Might happen too. Graham has been ok but it's a tough lineup to hold your spot.
tonemaster said:
Interesting. Might happen too. Graham has been ok but it's a tough lineup to hold your spot.
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
Can still go back and hone his craft at vfl , am worried he plays too defensively at aflTigers of Old said:
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’d keep Conca in, and give graham a spell in the 2’s
Would love to get broad back in, and keep short in, as I think he’s been awesome
So for me it’s,
Graham, Lloyd, Townsend out
Prestia, caddy, broad in
Play Conca in the middle and see if he continues to show something
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’d keep Conca in, and give graham a spell in the 2’s
Would love to get broad back in, and keep short in, as I think he’s been awesome
So for me it’s,
Graham, Lloyd, Townsend out
Prestia, caddy, broad in
Play Conca in the middle and see if he continues to show something
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
8 games into his career, don’t think it would do Graham any harm having a few games in the 2s, however I think we should be adding guys who can play midfield not taking them out.
Hopefully Conca can back up Sunday’s standard of game for the next month or so
8 games into his career, don’t think it would do Graham any harm having a few games in the 2s, however I think we should be adding guys who can play midfield not taking them out.
Hopefully Conca can back up Sunday’s standard of game for the next month or so
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
I think you have to look closely at the roles Reece has been given. The last few weeks he's been quite unique in he's been given two distinct roles as a bank flank sweeper and as rotation mid.
Playing across the back line he brings a physical pressure because he's strong and he's got good endurance. But he's not great one on one defensively and I have to respectfully disagree that he's a elusive or creative as Short in the backline. Once you get in space and have to run away from an opponent or pick a long target Conca is not good, the AFL prospectus was scathing on his back half delivery.
I think he's best as a rotation mid. As you pointed out he racked up touches against the Hawks in that role and he has to make less pinpoint kicks. If you look at him on tape he was often given a ball hunting role at stoppages as the Hawks were working our big name mid. Once the game slowed he did well. But you do have to ask yourself what others would do in the same circumstance. Conca was decent, but the long term average is Miles has 10.4 contested possessions a game, Prestia 9.5 and Conca 6.1.
However having said all that Conca stays IMO because a) he's versatile, but b) both Jack Graham and Lambert have started the year badly and probably need spells.
tigersnake said:
I think you have to look closely at the roles Reece has been given. The last few weeks he's been quite unique in he's been given two distinct roles as a bank flank sweeper and as rotation mid.
Playing across the back line he brings a physical pressure because he's strong and he's got good endurance. But he's not great one on one defensively and I have to respectfully disagree that he's a elusive or creative as Short in the backline. Once you get in space and have to run away from an opponent or pick a long target Conca is not good, the AFL prospectus was scathing on his back half delivery.
I think he's best as a rotation mid. As you pointed out he racked up touches against the Hawks in that role and he has to make less pinpoint kicks. If you look at him on tape he was often given a ball hunting role at stoppages as the Hawks were working our big name mid. Once the game slowed he did well. But you do have to ask yourself what others would do in the same circumstance. Conca was decent, but the long term average is Miles has 10.4 contested possessions a game, Prestia 9.5 and Conca 6.1.
However having said all that Conca stays IMO because a) he's versatile, but b) both Jack Graham and Lambert have started the year badly and probably need spells.
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
Miles is a contested bottom of the pack player, smashes in and gets it and throws it on the boot or gets the handball out. He's been good for us, and I'm glad we kept him for depth but there is a reason he's not getting a game. His day is done basically. Prestia is a better all round player IMO, so no real arguments there, but like Reece, he has had his runs of poor form and poor disposal too. My beef with the Conca baggers is there is no acknowledgement of his ability or strengths. He's had runs of poor form, and his kicking has been poor at times, sometimes very poor, sometimes not anywhere near as poor as made out, but he's had runs of good form too, and in the premiership side no less, but yes we respectfully disagree bigtime on his strengths. There is a reason he still gets games when he does clangers when other players might be dropped, good in heavy traffic. Its one of the most highly valued skills in the game. I'm constantly stunned that so many people can't see it.
Miles is a contested bottom of the pack player, smashes in and gets it and throws it on the boot or gets the handball out. He's been good for us, and I'm glad we kept him for depth but there is a reason he's not getting a game. His day is done basically. Prestia is a better all round player IMO, so no real arguments there, but like Reece, he has had his runs of poor form and poor disposal too. My beef with the Conca baggers is there is no acknowledgement of his ability or strengths. He's had runs of poor form, and his kicking has been poor at times, sometimes very poor, sometimes not anywhere near as poor as made out, but he's had runs of good form too, and in the premiership side no less, but yes we respectfully disagree bigtime on his strengths. There is a reason he still gets games when he does clangers when other players might be dropped, good in heavy traffic. Its one of the most highly valued skills in the game. I'm constantly stunned that so many people can't see it.
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
Look I can see the appeal of Concs, he does some things well and he's got a nice little weave in traffic. But he's at 90 games now and his contested ball average is 6.1. If he's going to sell himeslf as an inside player (and really that's his only option) the 9 contested possessions he had on the weekend can't be one of his best games... it has to be his baseline.
tigersnake said:
Look I can see the appeal of Concs, he does some things well and he's got a nice little weave in traffic. But he's at 90 games now and his contested ball average is 6.1. If he's going to sell himeslf as an inside player (and really that's his only option) the 9 contested possessions he had on the weekend can't be one of his best games... it has to be his baseline.
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
yeah we just disagree. Your nice little weave is my routinely gets out of congestion where most wouldn't. Look, I can see the appeal of Shorty too, nice long raking kick, its good to watch. At this stage the stats, and my eyes, say he hasn't got that much else.
yeah we just disagree. Your nice little weave is my routinely gets out of congestion where most wouldn't. Look, I can see the appeal of Shorty too, nice long raking kick, its good to watch. At this stage the stats, and my eyes, say he hasn't got that much else.
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
What stats are you using to compare Conca and Short?
24 disposals in the centre, vs 21 coming off half back. Disposal efficiency pretty much the same. Shorty had 6 marks to Conca's 1. Conca had 5 clearances to Shorty's 0. Shorty had 5 rebound 50's to Conca's 0.
Says to me that they're playing different positions to a pretty similar level.
I'm a fan of both and would have both in the side. Conca just needs enough consistency and he can be a really solid 3rd/4th stringer midfielder with some A grade attributes and some D grade composure. Hopefully consistency eliminates the latter.
Shorty with some games under his belt could be as good as any half back in the comp. Again, has some A grade attributes, but question marks over his defensive qualities.
tigersnake said:
What stats are you using to compare Conca and Short?
24 disposals in the centre, vs 21 coming off half back. Disposal efficiency pretty much the same. Shorty had 6 marks to Conca's 1. Conca had 5 clearances to Shorty's 0. Shorty had 5 rebound 50's to Conca's 0.
Says to me that they're playing different positions to a pretty similar level.
I'm a fan of both and would have both in the side. Conca just needs enough consistency and he can be a really solid 3rd/4th stringer midfielder with some A grade attributes and some D grade composure. Hopefully consistency eliminates the latter.
Shorty with some games under his belt could be as good as any half back in the comp. Again, has some A grade attributes, but question marks over his defensive qualities.
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
Maybe, but the best players play in the guts, but I hope your right re short. Did you check the tackle stats? I'm just not seeing much development from.short. Top kick. If we we're a middling side I'd be excited. But the bar is high these days.
Coburgtiger said:
Maybe, but the best players play in the guts, but I hope your right re short. Did you check the tackle stats? I'm just not seeing much development from.short. Top kick. If we we're a middling side I'd be excited. But the bar is high these days.
Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
Interesting debate between short and Conca but the reality is that both are fringe players who would get a game in most other teams which is now a real strength of ours. The fact we are debating whether a guy who got 25 playing a lot in the guts stays in the team says a lot about the Tigers these days.
Conca cuddles better after a goal than Short does though, he is an elite cuddler
Interesting debate between short and Conca but the reality is that both are fringe players who would get a game in most other teams which is now a real strength of ours. The fact we are debating whether a guy who got 25 playing a lot in the guts stays in the team says a lot about the Tigers these days.
Conca cuddles better after a goal than Short does though, he is an elite cuddler
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easy_tiger
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Re: Reece "Skills" Conca
Everyone has their own ideas, about everything, including whose fringe and whose not.
But im pretty sure the match committee and the coaching panel would almost all have Reecy in the best 22.
We can go around in circles about whether he's as good at hitouts as Nanker, or can he soccer as good as Geezer, but the people who count inside the walls
will almost all relish the idea of a fit Reecy and the contested creativity he brings.
An important consideration in the faux debate, is that the other blokes who are notionally fringe - Shorty, Miles, Lloyd etc. havnt spent 3/4 of their career
injured.
Sintiger said:
Everyone has their own ideas, about everything, including whose fringe and whose not.
But im pretty sure the match committee and the coaching panel would almost all have Reecy in the best 22.
We can go around in circles about whether he's as good at hitouts as Nanker, or can he soccer as good as Geezer, but the people who count inside the walls
will almost all relish the idea of a fit Reecy and the contested creativity he brings.
An important consideration in the faux debate, is that the other blokes who are notionally fringe - Shorty, Miles, Lloyd etc. havnt spent 3/4 of their career
injured.
Re: Reece "Silky Smooth" Conca
Fanboi-ism and understanding the game are two different issues Snakey.
Success last year lay in changed messaging and game plan and letting players play to their strengths as well as jettisoning some favourite drones.
Pre 2017 you will see many a poster touch on those very issues while you ignored them or batted them away while manning the barricades.
I happily congratulate Dimma and all others involved on the result last year which was simply magnificent.
tigersnake said:
Fanboi-ism and understanding the game are two different issues Snakey.
Success last year lay in changed messaging and game plan and letting players play to their strengths as well as jettisoning some favourite drones.
Pre 2017 you will see many a poster touch on those very issues while you ignored them or batted them away while manning the barricades.
I happily congratulate Dimma and all others involved on the result last year which was simply magnificent.
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easy_tiger
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Re: Reece "Silky Smooth" Conca
jeez, theres a ball of confusion there chops.
is this what you meant?
the blokes who were wrong were right and the blokes that were right were wrong, but we still won the flag?
It a Harry Potter style narrative in duration and upside down stuff.
I still dont know what a fanbois is, is it like a griffin?
lamb22 said:
jeez, theres a ball of confusion there chops.
is this what you meant?
the blokes who were wrong were right and the blokes that were right were wrong, but we still won the flag?
It a Harry Potter style narrative in duration and upside down stuff.
I still dont know what a fanbois is, is it like a griffin?
