Reece Conca - so long and thanks for all the fish

[French Tiger]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Thought he provided a bit when he went into the middle. Handy if he can provide that midfield depth

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Conca was even better after watching the replay. Getting his zip back. Reckon he gets even better from now if he stays fit.

Agree Harry. It was a big step forward. Some forget Reece was playing good footy last year too before the foot injury. What he desperately needs is continuity. He's had so little of that. If he stays injury free (fingers crossed) he's a contributor.

 

[lamb22]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Miles is a contested bottom of the pack player, smashes in and gets it and throws it on the boot or gets the handball out. He's been good for us, and I'm glad we kept him for depth but there is a reason he's not getting a game.

Throws it on his boot?

Miles 16 effective disposals a game to Conca's 12. 74% disposal efficiency, 10 contested possessions to Conca 6, 5 clearances to Conca's 2, 22 disposals to Conca's 17.

If you purely want a mid you dont play Conca before Miles.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=15&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=A&pid1=3452&pid2=3786&fid1=C&fid2=C

 

[lamb22]

Re: Reece "Silky Smooth" Conca

jeez, theres a ball of confusion there chops.

is this what you meant?

the blokes who were wrong were right and the blokes that were right were wrong, but we still won the flag?

It a Harry Potter style narrative in duration and upside down stuff.

I still dont know what a fanbois is, is it like a griffin?

We are all happy campers Easy. My post is 100% accurate though. That's why the content is best ignored,

 

[MD Jazz]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

But im pretty sure the match committee and the coaching panel would almost all have Reecy in the best 22.

but the people who count inside the walls will almost all relish the idea of a fit Reecy and the contested creativity he brings.

Interesting.

As a centre square mid right now he is behind Martin/Cotchin/Prestia/Lambert/Graham

Caddy/Edwards are the Mid/HFF

Grigg/Kmac/B Ellis are rotating through the wings with B Ellis/McIntosh playing more defensive than F half..

The HBF is covered by a variety of options far better than Conca.

He is not a HFF/FP type.

His only chance is as inside mid.

IMO he only fits into the 22 if you don't play one of Lambert/Graham or if you don't have say Short on the bench as defensive backup.

Ultimately, I hope to see Rioli/Butler spend some more time around the ball given we have Shai/Stengle/Higgins in the wings as small forwards. This will leave less room for Conca.

He could be handy as depth but this definitely best 22 stuff is a bit fanciful IMO.

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Interesting debate between short and Conca but the reality is that both are fringe players who would get a game in most other teams which is now a real strength of ours. The fact we are debating whether a guy who got 25 playing a lot in the guts stays in the team says a lot about the Tigers these days.

Conca cuddles better after a goal than Short does though, he is an elite cuddler

I think this is the crux of it. Short has more time to prove himself but whether he is better or worse than Conca is arguable. The thing with Conca is he panics under pressure particularly in the backline. I agree that he is probably better in the midfield but who does he push out? Cotchin, Martin, Prestia, Edwards, Caddy, Lambert? I'd rather give more time to the likes of Graham and Higgins in that role and if we need extra midfield strength I'd much prefer Miles who is proven in that position. At best I see Conca as depth but time is quickly catching up on him.

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Miles is a contested bottom of the pack player, smashes in and gets it and throws it on the boot or gets the handball out.

You probably want to watch some Miles games again. He's on of the most efficient contested ball winner disposers I've seen. And it's backed up by the stats comparing disposal efficiency versus contested ball count.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

It’s good just to be able to debate Concas worth to the team as normally he can’t get on the park, I see him as a bottom 6 , however as a bottom 6 role player he can be huge to the sides success, just like th3 other 18 role players that won us a flag.

On Short I’d be interested to see how many goals he concedes?

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

If you purely want a mid you dont play Conca before Miles.

I do. And so does the match committee

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

I do. And so does the match committee

I doubt the committee would choose Conca over Miles if purely for a mid role. No chance.

 

[caesar]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

I doubt the committee would choose Conca over Miles if purely for a mid role. No chance.

I would, especially if required for a run with role also has much more spread and overlap than Miles. Pure clearance Miles is better but you need more than that in today's footy.

 

[waiting]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Prefer him as a midfield back up / rotation.

Not at HB.

My opninion.

Much better second half.

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

I would, especially if required for a run with role also has much more spread and overlap than Miles. Pure clearance Miles is better but you need more than that in today's footy.

Nah I don't think Conca has proven himself as a run-with player. For pure midfield role I think Miles is a class ahead. And his later games he improved his defensive side immensely too. Bottom line is, as you say, you need more than pure inside clearance abilities today in the midfield. Miles can't really play anywhere else so his flexibility is limited and a liability in today's game style.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

I doubt the committee would choose Conca over Miles if purely for a mid role. No chance.

In some circumstances, maybe, maybe, when certain team balance/ injuries/ form factors come into play. But in the overwhelming majority of cases, Conca every time.

But really right here right now its a moot point, Conca is getting a game over Milesy, and last week he played a top game as a mid and got a heap of clearances.

Its a bit like saying Hammer gets a game over Nank if the match want purely a tap ruckman. Its a meaningless statement. Who is getting a game? Who is the better player?

 

[Tiger_mitch]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Conca is not best 22 in any one position... as a backman you'd rather have Broad or Short (particularly when kicking), as a mid you'd rather have Miles.

His saving grace is that he can do a bit of both. In both the Carlton and Hawks games he got more touches late in the game through the centre. When the full time mids tire he finds opportunities.

As a mid I’d have conca over miles

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

In some circumstances, maybe, maybe, when certain team balance/ injuries/ form factors come into play. But in the overwhelming majority of cases, Conca every time.

But really right here right now its a moot point, Conca is getting a game over Milesy, and last week he played a top game as a mid and got a heap of clearances.

Its a bit like saying Hammer gets a game over Nank if the match want purely a tap ruckman. Its a meaningless statement. Who is getting a game? Who is the better player?

Yeah I already agreed, Milesy can't play anywhere but inside mid thus why he is not playing. Conca is getting a game over Miles because it's not a pure midfielder the Tigers are after. Conca played ok, he needed to after the shocker the previous week. Wil Conca be getting a game in the middle once Prestia and Caddy are back? I doubt it but we shall see. Still makes rudimentary mistakes that cost you dearly playing that midfield role. At best Conca is now a depth player. That's a reflection on the quality list we've built coincidentally coinciding with a premiership. At a premiership club Conca is fringe, who knows at a lesser club he's possibly in the 22. At least the fight for spots is bringing out the best in everyone, and that's great for the club.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

Interesting.

As a centre square mid right now he is behind Martin/Cotchin/Prestia/Lambert/Graham

Caddy/Edwards are the Mid/HFF

Grigg/Kmac/B Ellis are rotating through the wings with B Ellis/McIntosh playing more defensive than F half..

The HBF is covered by a variety of options far better than Conca.

He is not a HFF/FP type.

His only chance is as inside mid.

IMO he only fits into the 22 if you don't play one of Lambert/Graham or if you don't have say Short on the bench as defensive backup.

Ultimately, I hope to see Rioli/Butler spend some more time around the ball given we have Shai/Stengle/Higgins in the wings as small forwards. This will leave less room for Conca.

He could be handy as depth but this definitely best 22 stuff is a bit fanciful IMO.

You are entitled to your opinion of course, but lets look at some evidence. For me its about what you focus on. Reece does a few too many clanger kicks, but he is good and creative in heavy traffic. He has had periods of good form, and periods of poor form. Some seem to just look at the clangers and the poor form, I look at the whole picture, and I argue the quality of his strength outweigh his weakness, and he's played a lot more good games than bad, especially when you consider he is often coming back from injury. We could sit down with a slab, and pay someone to edit all of Concas involvements in games over his entire career, good and bad, and watch and discuss them. We could also crunch the career stats. That would tell a story, but obviously we can't do that. Late '16 I thought he was shot and said so, was out of form and bereft of confidence. Balmey guru'd the crap out of him and he bounced back.

You could look at that period of poor form to strengthen your case, but I'll look at rounds 1-5 last season to bolster mine, before he went down in the first half V Adelaide R6. I knew he was good watching the games, I was rapt, he was creative and tough. Had some big moments at critical times that the stats don't show. But here are the stats, averages for those 5 games:

19D, 3.5M, 3T, 2 I50s. I should have included the clangers for balance here, and I'm happy to get them, but I'd guess they'd be 1.5 - 2. He was also in the best twice. All from the AFL site.

Remember what the stats don't show is where, when and how he gets his touches. I'd argue their at the higher end of degree of difficulty. You wouldn't, not much I can do about that short of the aforementioned sitting down with a slab and watching the footage marathon. What the stats also don't say is he was an integral part of a core phase, the set up, of our premiership season, a five game winning streak to open the premiership season! He wasn't playing for and getting these stats in a bum or middling side, it was the champion side.

A fit and in-form Reece is best 22.

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

A fit and in-form Reece is best 22.

So who does he get a game ahead of once Broad, Caddy and Prestia are back and guys like Menadue and Moore pushing for selection? Unless there are more injuries, I can't see Conca making the cut.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

So who does he get a game ahead of once Broad, Caddy and Prestia are back and guys like Menadue and Moore pushing for selection? Unless there are more injuries, I can't see Conca making the cut.

I'm taking fit and in good form. Fit is moot obviously. But an in-form Reece plays ahead of Short, Menadue, (that is as it stands, they might lift and force him out) and possibly Lambert, Graham (based on current form). I think he's a better player than B. Ellis but that is apples and oranges, and I acknowledge I'm a Brandon skeptic and he's in in for his tremendous run. Best 22 is never set in concrete remember, barring a core 10-14, there are constant fluctuations in form and needs.

Obviously an out-of-form Conca isn't best 22.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Re: Reece "Skills" Conca

I'm taking fit and in good form. Fit is moot obviously. But an in-form Reece plays ahead of Short, Menadue, (that is as it stands, they might lift and force him out) and possibly Lambert, Graham (based on current form). I think he's a better player than B. Ellis but that is apples and oranges, and I acknowledge I'm a Brandon skeptic and he's in in for his tremendous run. Best 22 is never set in concrete remember, barring a core 10-14, there are constant fluctuations in form and needs.

Obviously an out-of-form Conca isn't best 22.

Better than B Ellis?

I admire your Conca defense, but you’re letting yourself down mate.