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Re: Adam Goodes
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
You don't have to feel anything.
Rudd apologised specifically for the stolen children. That was a start, not the end.
You can acknowledge aboriginal dispossession and disadvantage and accept it as something we all have responsibility to mend.
Or not.
Its up to you.
Chimptastic said:
Can we put a fork in this bleating about false accusations of racism? Its a pathetic whine.
If you really don't like what Goodes has said, say so, and why.
bruntonave. said:
You generalise. Some of it is about the way he plays. Actor, stager, sook, dirty are some terms that have been mentioned. You just have to read this thread to know some feel that way. It may be about his outspokenness. Moreso the way he goes about it than the fact he says things imo. Micheale Long is outspoken but he's widley admired and supported. He has never made it personal or laid blame. It's about Adam's arrogance and his in the face attitude. it's about him intimidating opposition supporters and about that behaviour being officially condoned and encouraged while it's banned for others. There is some mob mentality where people join in for kicks without giving a lot of thought asds to why. I've read a myriad of reasons. You can't single it down to one single thing.
I don't like the way he goes about things. I think what he's copping is abhorrent. I also beleive if you are confrontational and set yourself apart from others you could well expect to cop some flak. Adam is copping it and he doesn't like it....same as others don't like things he's said and done.
I have never said it's ok to boo and in fact have said the quite the opposite. Not sure why you ask me why it's ok.
bruntonave. said:
What if he acknowledged aboriginal dispossession and disadvantage and accepted it as something we all have responsibility to mend, back in 1995? And again in 1997? Then again in 2001? And so on and so on.
By 2015, he seems to have accepted it a long time ago, and you're insinuating he doesn't care. Your attitude is exactly his point. How long/often does someone need to express guilt/emotion over history?
Once a year? Every month? Every day? For 10 years? For 20 years? All your life?
bruntonave. said:
That representative of the AFL (forget his name) came out and said they didn't think it was racism when it started. So no, let's not put a fork in this and label it a pathetic whine.
Baloo said:
I've battled with this a bit. Someone asked me (not sure if it was here or elsewhere) that if someone tells a racist joke but from their perspective it's not racist, is it? My answer is yes of course it is, but I don't believe the Goodes booing is racism-driven and those two opinions conflict. I guess that if we say that if the recipient believes it's racism then it is, then that makes it very easy for the recipient to play the racism card. This is particularly the case if the recipient has an axe to grind, or in this case a political career that needs a platform to leap from. The perpetrator/s (for want of a better description) is stuffed.
This week has been an interesting lesson in us as a nation. I think we are becoming so frightened as a nation to be labelled racist/bigot/homophobe etc, that you cannot comment negatively on the personality of anyone from a minority group or you will be labelled accordingly. It puts those in so-called minority groups in an incredibly powerful position. Maybe that's history correcting itself.
I do not know Adam Goodes personally and what I have seen of him publicly, I do not think we'd get along. Does that make me racist? I get the impression he would think so. So therefore I must be. I admire the great work done by Nicky Winmar and Michael Long in changing the opinions and behaviours of people in AFL circles with regard to Indigenous Australians. I think Adam Goodes is very quickly eroding their hard work and that's sad. I also think that we as a nation have been so distracted by the media-driven circus that is the Adam Goodes issue that we are not having the conversation we should be having which is the disgraceful living conditions and mortality rate of Indigenous Australia. I think that's even sadder.
rosy23 said:
This is his real crime.
Aboriginal disadvantage and dispossession is longstanding and deep seated.
He drew attention to it.
rosy23 said:
How is he arrogant? Examples please.
And really? The dance was intimidating? That is nonsense
IanG said:
I think he is dividing people that Nicky Winmar and Michael Long brought together.
Chimptastic said:
Yeah. Why not. Stopping the booing and supporting efforts to do so would be a good start.
