Re: Adam Goodes

[Carter]

1) hardly any of the previous booing was done because Goodes is indigenous.

2) it's gotta stop now that it has been aligned to racism.

3) let's all move on.

4) booing is idiotic anyway.

 

[tigersnake]

Good job at making a false, sweeping generalising about the Australian public with no critical justification. Why don't we boo Michael Long for doing essentially the same thing, but in a better, more uniting manner?

??? Huh? Its a pretty clear, logical and self explanatory statement on the specific charge that Goodes is 'divisive'. I'll say it again, AG exposed real divisions, he didn't cause them.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Close.

But you don't NEED to feel anything.

You've already said that you're indifferent to this, which is refreshingly candid compared to most.

If you can feel pride in australia's history, then you can feel shame as well.

But the choice is yours.

'Live and let live' glosses over the massive dispossession and injustice that is at the heart of this.

Indigenous australians have hugely disproportionate rates of morbidity, mortality and incarceration and the lowest rates of education and employment.

The reasons for this are complex and historical. We can choose to confront this.

For how long must we feel shame? Isn't that what Kevin Rudd apologised on behalf of the nation for, to rule a line so that everyone can move forward?

Like most people I've contemplated less savoury aspects of Australia's past and reconciled with them. It's unreasonable to ask more. Wallowing in them does nobody any good. We can never return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

Governments have thrown untold millions at the problems, but the drive has to come from within. Maybe Aboriginals aspire to different things. Maybe they feel conflicted. Maybe they don't know what they want; I certainly don't. Does it come down to a choice - "I have the freedom to improve my lot" or "I won't play whitey's game"? Or is it that they just don't know how to play?

Those who can see beyond the pervasive sense of oppression should be supported and encouraged to give back to their communities. Football can only be a way out for a select few. Education, education, education... an Aboriginal baby has as much potential as any other baby.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

4) booing is idiotic anyway.

I don't get people who say this. Booing has a long theatrical tradition, and what is sport if not theatre?

I can understand that some people feel silly when booing, same as some refuse to sing Happy Birthday. Personally I prefer to swear.

 

[Chimptastic]

Where have I called anyone a racist? Its been said multiple times that not all the booing is being done for racist reasons.

...'not all of it is racist' means some of it is.

If you can't see why hundreds of thousands of everyday Australians would feel they've been falsely accused of being a racist, I can't help you.

Let's take Newbold's quote: "if you boo, you're racist".

Or Chris Scott "if Adam feels it's racist, it's racist".

And the AFL media talking about how Australia has taken two steps backwards... It's insulting.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

Great link about this
http://youtu.be/nzLvMv-nEwU

 

[tigersnake]

For how long must we feel shame? Isn't that what Kevin Rudd apologised on behalf of the nation for, to rule a line so that everyone can move forward?

Like most people I've contemplated less savoury aspects of Australia's past and reconciled with them. It's unreasonable to ask more. Wallowing in them does nobody any good. We can never return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

Governments have thrown untold millions at the problems, but the drive has to come from within. Maybe Aboriginals aspire to different things. Maybe they feel conflicted. Maybe they don't know what they want; I certainly don't. Does it come down to a choice - "I have the freedom to improve my lot" or "I won't play whitey's game"? Or is it that they just don't know how to play?

Those who can see beyond the pervasive sense of oppression should be supported and encouraged to give back to their communities. Football can only be a way out for a select few. Education, education, education... an Aboriginal baby has as much potential as any other baby.

good post, but I don't agree with parts.

Its not about feeling shame, its about acknowledging and undertsanding the past and the ongoing impacts, and feeling love, empathy and compassion.

On throwing millions, but is it throwing money or paying rent and compo? Also a lot of the money that has been 'thrown' gets hoovered up by white experts because blacks apparently can't be trusted to manage money or programs. When you hear a stat thrown around about X millions being spent on some remote community, a heap of that has gone on white peoples wages and travel expenses, the latter is huge in remote Aus.

A black kid has as much potential yes, but a lot more barriers to realising that potential.

 

[uhuh uhuh]

...'not all of it is racist' means some of it is.

If you can't see why hundreds of thousands of everyday Australians would feel they've been falsely accused of being a racist, I can't help you.

Let's take Newbold's quote: "if you boo, you're racist".

Or Chris Scott "if Adam feels it's racist, it's racist".

And the AFL media talking about how Australia has taken two steps backwards... It's insulting.

Ok lets take the racism judgement out of it..

If you boo you are a bully.. Think about that

 

[ninjahaha]

4) booing is idiotic anyway.

Boooooooooooooooooo


It is as fair a way of dealing with emotion as being on a forum and calling your players a bunch of pea heart duds and your coach pathetic.

Of course if you are indigenous I apologise for being a racist.

 

[Carter]

Personally I prefer to swear.

Me too.

 

[Giardiasis]

I doubt that very much.

You're basing this on what exactly?

Yep - they came here to give their children and grandchildren a better life and good on them. The indigenous Australians didn't have that as an option.

Which indigenous Australians are you talking about?

A white man complaining that Adam Goodes is using the coercive power of the state to oppress him is probably closer to a non-sequitur IMO, but hey, what do I know.

Ironically another non-sequitur.

 

[Chelsea]

And I think you underestimate the affect this concerted 'campaign' has. You ignore what Goodes and others have said about it but no-one else can speak to how it feels.

Goodes and others say it is racist.
I say it is not racist.
How do I know I am right and they are wrong?
Because I know the reasons I am booing and they can only guess and assume why I am booing.
Labelling myself and the majority racist is wrong. It is an assumption, a guess, or a deliberate attempt to get people to stop booing because Goodes cannot mentally cope with such a dilemma.
As a result, Goodes should retire. The fans will find another villain.
Goodes has to realise that it is not the colour of his skin that is the problem, it is the thickness of it.
I hope he finds some peace in retirement and with the money he has earned and finds a place to live where there is no racism.

 

[IanG]

Goodes and others say it is racist.
I say it is not racist.
How do I know I am right and they are wrong?

Not talking about that, I'm talking about how he says it makes him feel.

 

[Chelsea]

Ok lets take the racism judgement out of it..

If you boo you are a bully.. Think about that

The Tigers will wear their indigenous strip in memory of a game that was once great.
At the end of the game, we should make a funeral pyre out of the goalposts and have a big bonfire to reflect on the loss of our national sport.
A sport where we had guys with facial hair and mullets instead of fake tans and styled hair with product.
A sport where there was mud and slush and no alternative strips.
A sport where you had players called Bruce, Jack, and Bill instead of Dom, Kayne, and Jayden.
A sport where you had high flying marks each week and spectacular goals instead of transitions, inside 50s, and kicking to the fat side.
A sport where you could boo without having to worry about hurting a players feelings.
A sport where you could boo without being labelled a racist.
A sport where the fans were tough and the players tougher.
A sport you could enjoy.

 

[Chelsea]

Not talking about that, I'm talking about how he says it makes him feel.

I think he would feel rubbish.
Other players might thrive on it.
It is up to Adam what he does from here.
I think he should retire.

 

[ninjahaha]

So can we tweet or on a forum call Adam out for staging for a free?

How about diving?

Snipping?

Chicken wing?

What if we do the same RE Jetta or rioli?



I know many will see it for what it is. But I can also see many twisting it to paint someone as a racist or make themselves feel superior.



That is the way political correctness works. Like it not or most outside the inner circles of footy fans take it as a fact that booing of Adam was racist all along.

 

[Baloo]

The Tigers will wear their indigenous strip in memory of a game that was once great.

I think it's a more simple than that. They are wearing a jumper in support of all indigenous players in the AFL, including our own, who are trying to tell us that despite how far we think we may have come to narrow the racial divide, it is still a very wide gap from their side of it.

 

[Chelsea]

I think it's a more simple than that. They are wearing a jumper in support of all indigenous players in the AFL, including our own, who are trying to tell us that despite how far we think we may have come to narrow the racial divide, it is still a very wide gap from their side of it.

Shane Edwards would earn more money in a year than I do in 5 years.
Nathan Drummond has an opportunity to play for a club I could only ever dream of playing for.
Adam Goodes was Australian of the Year. Not black Australian of the year. Australian of the Year. Representing all of us.
I think the gap is a lot narrower than the doomsdayers are leading you to believe.

 

[Baloo]

So can we tweet or on a forum call Adam out for staging for a free?

How about diving?

Snipping?

Chicken wing?

What if we do the same RE Jetta or rioli?

I'm sure we can. If tho booing only happened when he staged (11 free kicks all year, can't be that good a stager), or sniped, or dived, or chicken winged then there would be no issus because it's ditrected at his actions on the field.

the constant booing whenever he gets the ball means there is more to it then his on field actions. It's Jab Watson like when jab admitted to the drug taking. Jab was booed all day, suffered from it (teared up at the end I think), but was targeted for more than just jab, it was for all the sins of the EFC.

It's crossed over. People need to understand that and accept it. Whether they like it or not, it's crossed. Now that the situation is different you need to re-evalute whether some god given "right" you feel you have to boo is still having the same effect you want it to have or whether is being interreptted as something you don't want it to be.

Or if you don't care what others think and just like to boo, then do so but don't get upset if people point out that your booing now means something to others.

 

[Baloo]

Shane Edwards would earn more money in a year than I do in 5 years.
Nathan Drummond has an opportunity to play for a club I could only ever dream of playing for.
Adam Goodes was Australian of the Year. Not black Australian of the year. Australian of the Year. Representing all of us.
I think the gap is a lot narrower than the doomsdayers are leading you to believe.

have a look at the mortality, incarceration, employment rates of the indigenous population and then tell me if you think it's a narrow divide.