Re: Adam Goodes

[Rosy]

I think you meant to address Knighter's Revenge.

Apologies for that. I'll edit my post.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

So tell me how racism gets better if you don't confront it? Until the little boy points at the emperor everyone just goes along.

How did Goodes confront racism? His speeches were mainly about dispossession.

I've been totally unable to work out what it is that Aboriginals seek. I'm sure Goodes meant well, but he didn't help me to understand. He was pushing for recognition of Aboriginals in the Constitution which I don't have a problem with in principle, although I would've thought it's actually drawing distinctions based on race.

If Goodesy wants to talk about racism - not dispossession, not booing - I'll listen.

Edit: OK he did confront the girl. Any discussion to be had about racism was lost in the storm over the age of the girl.

Would've been more effective if he'd outed the "highly respected player" who called him a "*smile* monkey-looking *smile*" during a match.

 

[Tigers of Old]

It was deleted because as I'm sure you are aware we aren't allowed to post from the official AFL websites other than richmondfc.com.au No doubt you're aware of that but just to reaffirm

We once again have official permission from the RFC to post the content from their website onto PRE. As with all articles the source must be mentioned and a link to the article provided. Please also refrain from posting links to the official AFL site.

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Rather than call me pathetic you could abide by the site rules that apply to all of us. :blah

Sorry I forgot we can't link to there, it's been ages since I have and honestly didnt remember we cannot.
Mistakenly thought you deleted it for other reasons.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Firstly you might have missed this post Yinnar. I've asked you a question in response to you quoting and addressing your post to me.

I'm a little confused are asking me to answer or Yinnar?

I'll ask again here

In regards to your post above I don't get your point in relation to my comment really. Of course racism needs addressing. It doesn't require confrontation or abuse to do it though. Goodes pretended to throw a spear at a group of fans in a manner that he said was in anger. How does that help racism get better? *Would it be acceptable if someone in the crowd did a similar thing to him? (* rhetorical question there)

I am asking how it gets better if those offended and more importantly discriminated against don't use confrontation to drag it out of the shadows and into the light? Why is your method (without confrontation) preferable to the person who is actually living it?

 

[Rosy]

I'm a little confused are asking me to answer or Yinnar?

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I edited my post to correct the error. I'm sure it wasn't that hard to work out just the same considering the link. Look forward to your answer.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

How did Goodes confront racism? His speeches were mainly about dispossession.

I've been totally unable to work out what it is that Aboriginals seek. I'm sure Goodes meant well, but he didn't help me to understand. He was pushing for recognition of Aboriginals in the Constitution which I don't have a problem with in principle, although I would've thought it's actually drawing distinctions based on race.

If Goodesy wants to talk about racism - not dispossession, not booing - I'll listen.

He highlights issues that most don't really want to admit are a feature of Australian society. I imagine if he descided to go to university after he leaves football and study for it he could provide a dissertation worthy of your time? For now he is a footy player doing his best with the limited tools and time he's got.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I edited my post to correct the error. I'm sure it wasn't that hard to work out just the same considering the link. Look forward to your answer.

I look forward to you discovering that you are focussed on the wrong end of this issue and that by continually posting about Goodes and not endemic racism you detract from the issue and provide cover for racists to keep on keeping on.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Not allowed to post the link but there is an open letter on the Swans website from Andrew Ireland that is well worth the read among this noise.

 

[Rosy]

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I am asking how it gets better if those offended and more importantly discriminated against don't use confrontation to drag it out of the shadows and into the light? Why is your method (without confrontation) preferable to the person who is actually living it?

Yet again you're asking me to think on behalf of others. I wouldn't have a clue what is preferable to others. Adam Goodes is the only person I know who is making an issue of his stance way of spruiking on a football podium. I think his approach and methods have done far more harm than good. He's confrontational and engenders an us against them attitude.

 

[Willo]

Yeah, you're not racist but you're still going to stand alongside the racists and boo?

I don't get to the games. I boo him at home.
Plenty boo him for being a wanker.
Plenty don't boo him, they might think he's a black wanker.
Any difference there do you think?

I don't boo Bettes, Rioli, Burgoyne and the other Indigenous players. Does that make one a selective racist.? Is there such a thing?

 

[tigerlove]

Re: Re: Round 17 - other games

There is nothing imaginary about it.

If Goodes was not indigenous and had not been an outspoken australian-of-the-year, this would not be happening.

Don't agree. There are some prominent Aboriginals that consider Goodes divisive. I tend to agree. I haven't seen too many footy players in the past incite the opposition supporters and those rare times that they have, they have received their fair whack later on as well. Goodes should have retired last year. I can't help but think his declining form is making him a frustrated individual. Personally I would never boo a player. Just to make it to AFL level is a massive achievement but I do understand why some people do boo. If you aim to put yourself out there for ridicule based on your actions then there is a certain percentage of the public that will respond in a negative way.

 

[Scoop]

Here's a novel idea.

If you 100% are booing Goodes for your own non racist reasons maybe stop so no one can ever accuse you of being racist.

It's a fair trade off. If any behavior you engage in causes you to have to utter the phrase "I'm not a racist" to defend it, I would think twice about engaging in such behavior again.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

Yet again you're asking me to think on behalf of others. I wouldn't have a clue what is preferable to others. Adam Goodes is the only person I know who is making an issue of his stance way of spruiking on a football podium. I think his approach and methods have done far more harm than good. He's confrontational and engenders an us against them attitude.

Still got the wrong end of the stick Rosy. He is on the other end of the US and THEM divide. He doesn't engender it, he LIVES it. He chooses to take of advantage of being one of the most visible Aboriginal Australians to push for a better deal. You don't like his methods but that doesn't mean he's wrong does it?

Did women get the vote by being non-confrontational? Did African Americans?

 

[Harry]

think people boo him because he thinks he's bigger than the game

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

He highlights issues that most don't really want to admit are a feature of Australian society. I imagine if he descided to go to university after he leaves football and study for it he could provide a dissertation worthy of your time? For now he is a footy player doing his best with the limited tools and time he's got.

How can I do more to get Aboriginal children to go to school? To get adults into work? To help Aboriginals build safer communities? Please tell me how, or how I am directly or even indirectly responsible for these problems. Because that's what Goodesy has implied.

I plead guilty to a degree of apathy. Whilst I can't speak for Aboriginals, I don't think I'm alone.

 

[Rosy]

I look forward to you discovering that you are focussed on the wrong end of this issue and that by continually posting about Goodes and not endemic racism you detract from the issue and provide cover for racists to keep on keeping on.

Good avoidance of my question that was in response to you singling me out. At least you didn't play the living overseas card and didn't notice it this time. :hihi

This is the Goodes thread and it's his particular behaviour, actions, attitude and playing style that is in question. It's not a general thread about endemic racism. He is one person putting himself in the spot light and I am commenting about his situation.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

How can I do more to get Aboriginal children to go to school? To get adults into work? To help Aboriginals build safer communities? Please tell me how, or how I am directly or even indirectly responsible for these problems. Because that's what Goodesy has implied.

You can vote for parties that don't support things like the NT Intervention. You can ask your local member why so little has been acheived in the areas you just highlighted and make sure that they know that when you vote these issues influence your decision.

 

[Tigers of Old]

If Adam Goodes feels you're being racist towards him when you boo him and then you keep doing it despite his objections then theres no doubt it's racist. Whatever people's reasons for it are/were it's time to stop unless you actually are a racist and are happy to be seen as one.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

You can vote for parties that don't support things like the NT Intervention. You can ask your local member why so little has been acheived in the areas you just highlighted and make sure that they know that when you vote these issues influence your decision.

It's not very high on my priority list, sorry. I'm aware of it but I'm not passionate about it.

The Liberals have committed $220M towards Aboriginal education in 2015. Tick.

 

[mld]

Here's a novel idea.

If you 100% are booing Goodes for your own non racist reasons maybe stop so no one can ever accuse you of being racist.

It's a fair trade off. If any behavior you engage in causes you to have to utter the phrase "I'm not a racist" to defend it, I would think twice about engaging in such behavior again.

If Adam Goodes feels you're being racist towards him when you boo him and then you keep doing it despite his objections then theres no doubt it's racist. Whatever people's reasons for it are/were it's time to stop unless you actually are a racist and are happy to be seen as one.

Yes, it isn't rocket science.