Re: Adam Goodes

[Rosy]

..... entire saga is a disgrace. Blight on society and shows how truly far we have to go.

Agree in regards to both sides of the saga. Goodes chose to put himself in the spotlight and predictably he's copping flak from some in the outer. If he pretended to spear our supporter group in anger I'd expect him to be reminded of it.

You've singled me out heaps on here with sniping and name calling over the years . I would be as out of line to label you sexist for that just because I am female as people are to label everyone booing Goodes behaviour as racist just because he's Aboriginal.

 

[Scoop]

Yet in the cold light of day he still chose to label the kid as the face of racism.

She called a unacceptable name, she got called on it. At 13 she should know better.

At what age do we accept common decency?

 

[uhuh uhuh]

Yet in the cold light of day he still chose to label the kid as the face of racism.

Yes he should just accept that he is a monkey and get on with life

 

[seven]

Re: Re: Round 17 - other games

There is nothing imaginary about it.

If Goodes was not indigenous and had not been an outspoken australian-of-the-year, this would not be happening.

remember It's not Australia day
Its invasion day.

 

[Rosy]

She called a unacceptable name, she got called on it. At 13 she should know better.

At what age do we accept common decency?

Publicly labeling her the face of racism wasn't necessary to show it was acceptable behaviour. The kid could have been educated without being bullied and humiliated. I am not surprised at you thinking it was ok same as I'm not surprised that others think it wasn't. Personally I think it's turned into a real negative and set the cause back somewhat.

 

[IanG]

Should be noted that Adam Goodes also met with her, told the media and the Twitispherre to leave her alone and accepted her apology and also stated he did not want to bully her..

What more does the guy have to do?

Yes this continues to be ignored.

 

[Rosy]

Yes this continues to be ignored.

I'm quite aware he said similar. Actions speak louder than words to me. He can say all he likes about bullying and leaving her alone but he is the one chose to label and publicly discuss her the next day.

 

[lukeanddad]

Some compare this with the treatment Selwood, Lloyd, Ballantine and others have experienced over the years. I only booed them when they staged. The rest of the time, they got my grudging respect.

I wonder what would happen if we transplanted Goodes' 'sins' to LeBron James (in the US context) or to Usain Bolt (in the global context). Would they be booed?

 

[Rosy]

Yes he should just accept that he is a monkey and get on with life

There are other ways he could have dealt with it and in hindsight I suspect he'd do things differently. That is an extremely ordinary and unacceptable comment on your behalf.

 

[Rosy]

Yes he should just accept that he is a monkey and get on with life

That is an extremely ordinary, unnecessary and unacceptable comment.

 

[IanG]

I'm quite aware he said similar. Actions speak louder than words to me. He can say all he likes about bullying and leaving her alone but he is the one chose to label and publicly discuss her the next day.

IIRC he said the words at the same time he called her the face of racism so he was making a point and then backing off and AFAIK she has been left alone since.

 

[Rosy]

IIRC he said the words at the same time he called her the face of racism so he was making a point and then backing off and AFAIK she has been left alone since.

Whether he said it at the same time or not and whether he was backing off he still chose to do it. His actions didn't exactly match his words.

 

[YinnarTiger]

Whether he said it at the same time or not and whether he was backing off he still chose to do it. His actions didn't exactly match his words.

I fail to see how Goodes can be criticised for his comments. They were spot on. You need to read it in context.

In the aftermath of the racial abuse that was directed his way, Goodes told the Melbourne Herald Sun that, 'Racism had a face...and it was a 13-year-old girl. - but it's not her fault,' said Goodes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331441/Adam-Goodes-Moment-Aboriginal-Aussie-rules-footballer-confronted-racist-13-year-old-girl-called-ape-escorted-stand.html

 

[Rosy]

I fail to see how Goodes can be criticised for his comments. They were spot on. You need to read it in context.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331441/Adam-Goodes-Moment-Aboriginal-Aussie-rules-footballer-confronted-racist-13-year-old-girl-called-ape-escorted-stand.html

I know the context. He still made the choice to publicly label her. I don't think it was necessary for her to be humiliated that way. If you do I respect that's your right but I wonder what positives it's gained. . He said he'd been called similar in the past. It was obviously a conscious decision after the event. Indigenous round...make a stand...fans react. He also chose not to make much of an issue of Eddie's comments and he'd probably be in a far better position to know what he was saying.

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I don't agree uhuh. People are free to boo decisions, actions, umpires, whatever, for their own reasons without being judged and labeled as supporting racism or any other cause people want to bundle them in with. I don't know why they want to do it just the same.

That would be fine in a vacuum Rosy, but that time has long since passed. It is now well established, and "The Goodes Incident" that you so strongly disagree with made it so obvious that it cannot be ignored. There are feral racists in the outer and they boo because they are feral racists. If someone stands next to them, knowing that, and boo along with them anyway then they are no better than the racists IMO. Put yourself in Goodes' shoes for a second. Imagine he glides past the PRE and sees angry faces and hears racist epithets and hears a cacophany of boos? Does he get to sleep that night thinking "well at least the bloke in seat 13b wasn't a racist?" He can't tell can he? So why be one of them?

 

[mld]

All the 'I'm not racist but I boo Goodes because...' justifications that are floating around come across as no different to any other comment that starts with the notorious 'I'm not racist but...'. We have a long way to go as a society.

 

[Rosy]

........ Put yourself in Goodes' shoes for a second. .......

I wouldn't for one second do some of the things Adam has done. He's chosen to be confrontational and in peoples' faces. You ask me "why be one of them". I'm not one of them. I'd hate to think I'd boo, threaten or humiliate anyone. There may well be feral racists in the crowd but there is no way of knowing the booing is racist or if it's a judgement on the person. I suspect it's more the latter, especially when other indigenous players don't cop it. I've said several times I don't support or condone the abuse but I can see why many aren't fans of Adam Goodes, and to me it's more a result of his actions than the colour of his skin.
Do you think his actions and the way he plays have any part at all in why he's being booed?

 

[Rosy]

All the 'I'm not racist but I boo Goodes because...' justifications that are floating around come across as no different to any other comment that starts with the notorious 'I'm not racist but...'. We have a long way to go as a society.

Out of interest who has said that?

 

[Willo]

All the 'I'm not racist but I boo Goodes because...' justifications that are floating around come across as no different to any other comment that starts with the notorious 'I'm not racist but...'. We have a long way to go as a society.

Do the same (*racist) people who boo Goodes, boo Burgoyne, Cameron, Bettes and the other 60 or so Indigenous players?
Me, personally I haven't heard it. If it is the case that they don't boo the other Indigenous players wouldn't that show that's it directed at the one personality, not his colour or race?

 

[KnightersRevenge]

I wouldn't for one second do some of the things Adam has done. He's chosen to be confrontational and in peoples' faces.

Sorry Rosy but I doubt you have ever been close to being in Goodes position. I asked you to stand in his shoes but it doesn't sound to me like you tried to do that? To really stand in his shoes is to imagine his whole life up to this point and to imagine being in the minority in your own country, and to know all of the disadvantage that come with it and a life of listening to racism directed right at you. On your TV. On the radio. Over the boundary every weekend. Down the shops. At your family. And then to consider how that might shape your actions. From your response, I don't think you did that.

You ask me "why be one of them". I'm not one of them. I'd hate to think I'd boo, threaten or humiliate anyone.

[EDIT]I know that you say you aren't a boo-er so I wasn't directing that at you personally. I hoped my post made it clear it was directed at the boo-ers who think they are justified.

There may well be feral racists in the crowd but there is no way of knowing the booing is racist or if it's a judgement on the person. I suspect it's more the latter, especially when other indigenous players don't cop it. I've said several times I don't support or condone the abuse but I can see why many aren't fans of Adam Goodes, and to me it's more a result of his actions than the colour of his skin.
Do you think his actions and the way he plays have any part at all in why he's being booed?

No Rosy the time where "there may well be feral racists" has come and gone. There absolutely are feral racists and that we know that should cause us to rethink our behaviour to one of the games greats.

[EDIT]On "his own actions" I support whole heartedly his passion for his culture and for making Aussies look full frontal at the true history of our great country. To be clear I have booed Goodes in the past. For staging for frees. I hate it. But I wouldn't do it now because I just woudn't give the pee-brained racists the satisfaction of thinking they are justified and right.