Re: Adam Goodes

[TigerMasochist]

Re: Re: Round 17 - other games

Who was the player who used to do that remarkably stupid thing with the 'air' gun after getting a goal? I am pretty sure he copped some flack, as she absolutely should have, so I would also hope Jetta gets a good talking too as well.

Mark Williams at Hawthorn.
No way Jetta will get any flack, he was just protecting his imaginary friend from an imaginary racist attack by chucking an imaginary spear. It's all just fluff inside peoples heads, nothing real about it.

Personally I couldn't be bothered booing at Goodesy, can understand why so many are making a deliberate issue out of it though. Been prancing around like a self centered over bearing flog for a couple of years now. Making everything about himself n his special indigenousness ( yeah I know, not really a word ). Doesn't really matter who, when or how, but when someone starts to carry on like a self indulgent prat there'll always be plenty happy to tell him to STFU n pull his head in.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

So now Jetta is feigning throwing spears at the crowd? Imagine if it was someone pointing a gun?
I'm not sure that Adam's war dance has been a positive move in the long run. Seems to be creating more racial division than ever and that is not a good thing at all.
The AFL should seriously consider cracking down on this.

Wasn't Mark 'Rifleman' Williams told to stop that shooting thing he did to celebrate a goal? Not sure how Jetta feigning a spear throw is a whole lot different.

 

[Willo]

Wasn't Mark 'Rifleman' Williams told to stop that shooting thing he did to celebrate a goal? Not sure how Jetta feigning a spear throw is a whole lot different.

One's a white man's weapon the other is Indigenous. They probably don't want to be branded as "racist" if they ban it.
Load of crap, it's not celebrating "Indigenous culture" in this case, it was about giving it to some sections of the crowd booing Goodes (supposedly). Is that "provocation" or "retaliation"?

 

[TigerForce]

Nah, Goodes.

I used to know Nicky Winmar, and his family, and it would be interesting to know what his thoughts are on the specific actions taken by Goodes and Jetta. What Nicky did was inspiring.

Yep, and with guts (no pun) in a small oval full of ferals.

 

[TOT70]

This was always going to happen, the rocket scientists who turn up to West Coast games love nothing better than the opportunity to have a good boo. They are always on the lookout for a good villain. Some of them would have been more involved in booing Goodes than in cheering the stack of goals their team was kicking.

Feel a bit for Goodes now. There is no doubt he has contributed to this by sooking it up and by trying to politicise the issue but, nonetheless, this should have blown over by now. This mindless bullying does no one any credit.

Surely it is time to move on. It is not as if he plays for Essendon.

 

[Baloo]

The reason behind the booing is murky and difficult to pinpoint. Is it a racist boo ? Or is it because he's become such an absolute knob on the field now that his talents are starting to wane and he's getting frustrated out there ?

You can argue for both. Who knows, maybe if he pulled his head in and stopped being a knob then we'd find out the real reason behind the boos and if they are racist boos they should kick the fans out of the stadium.

 

[TigerForce]

The reason behind the booing is murky and difficult to pinpoint. Is it a racist boo ? Or is it because he's become such an absolute knob on the field now that his talents are starting to wane and he's getting frustrated out there ?

You can argue for both. Who knows, maybe if he pulled his head in and stopped being a knob then we'd find out the real reason behind the boos and if they are racist boos they should kick the fans out of the stadium.

Yep. He just simply needs to show a smile and giggle about this stuff to the football public instead of being so continuously dramatic about it. When people see this, they'll ease off.

 

[CarnTheTiges]

One's a white man's weapon the other is Indigenous. They probably don't want to be branded as "racist" if they ban it.
Load of crap, it's not celebrating "Indigenous culture" in this case, it was about giving it to some sections of the crowd booing Goodes (supposedly). Is that "provocation" or "retaliation"?

I heard Jetta's defence about sticking up for Goodes, but come on, he's been playing for a while now. He knows how feral and stupid the West Coast supporters are. Just play the game and forget about all this political posturing. The best way to shut up crowds like that is to beat the side they barrack for.

 

[tigertim]

Dusty should've said squirting water in your opponents faces is an old Maori traditional.......

 

[Willo]

Dusty should've said squirting water in your opponents faces is an old Maori traditional.......

;D

 

[K3]

Dusty should've said squirting water in your opponents faces is an old Maori traditional.......

Have to pay that one! ;D

 

[Tigers of Old]

Wasn't Mark 'Rifleman' Williams told to stop that shooting thing he did to celebrate a goal? Not sure how Jetta feigning a spear throw is a whole lot different.

Not sure Williams aimed it at anyone did he? I don't think there's any place for inciting this any further.
Personally I'd can it if i were AFL house. No place for political protests on a football field.
That said, it's horrible what's happening to Adam Goodes who's arguably the greatest indigenous footballer ever.
Those who are booing are a disgrace.

 

[Total Tiger]

This whole thing has been, and continues to be, so badly managed by the media and the AFL. If it stopped being spoken about, it would eventually peter out, just like the booing of Jobe did eventually. But the media and the AFL keep trying to tell people they are racist and tell people that they must stop this immediately and it just eggs the situation on. I understand the media's motivation. If it keeps happening, it continues to be a story. Remember, this was just something Hawthorn supporters did until the media got hold of it. Now it happens at every game. The AFL need to use their muscle with the media and make them stop discussing it. People will eventually move on.

 

[Tigers of Old]

People had. West Coast supporters are a disgrace.

 

[poppa x]

That said, it's horrible what's happening to Adam Goodes who's arguably the greatest indigenous footballer ever.

I think Polly Farmer, Wanganeen, Rioli, and a host of others may disagree with this.
Goodes is a very good footballer, but he's not in the same class as Polly Farmer who not only dominated his position but changed ruck play forever.

 

[waiting]

Re: Re: Round 17 - other games

Just saw the vision with Jetta.

Why wasn't he charged with" inciting crowd violence" ?

AFL don't want to seen being against Indigenous players or against the Swans.

AFL cleared the "war dance" and are asking fans to stop booing Goodes.

I'm no racist. I went through hell as a young kid and teenager growing up, but I never complained. I'm what was termed as a "wig", but the fight they are doing they are going about it the wrong way. This will not stop the relationship fans have with Goodes. In fact it may cause the opposite reactions.

Yes I could see Jetta was visibly upset but it's the wrong way to go about it. Just undoes any work the government has tried to do to reconcile with Indigenous Australians.

I also accept there is still a racist minority out there but most I suspect don't boo Goodes because of his colour or his race.

Hope I haven't upset anyone by what I wrote. It's what I have felt since this Goodes thing , the booing started to escalate.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: Re: Round 17 - other games

Just saw the vision with Jetta.

Why wasn't he charged with" inciting crowd violence" ?

Because this was the AFL's response to Goodes.

Jason Mifsud, the AFL’s head of diversity, said he hoped Goodes’ goal celebration against Carlton becomes a widely-accepted tradition in footy like it has in New Zealand rugby.

“Rather than be intimidated or antagonistic against another form of cultural expression, maybe it’s the precursor to cultural expression and dance becoming a really significant part of the next 100 years of our game,” Mifsud told the Herald Sun.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/adam-goodess-war-dance-could-become-part-of-the-game-says-jason-mifsud/story-fnp04d70-1227377163066

To use Pagan's vernacular, the AFL is fond of pissing down your back and telling you it's raining.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I think Polly Farmer, Wanganeen, Rioli, and a host of others may disagree with this.
Goodes is a very good footballer, but he's not in the same class as Polly Farmer who not only dominated his position but changed ruck play forever.

Respectfully disagree.
365+ games, 2 premierships, 2 Brownlow medals, a strong leader who instilled a tremendous culture at his club plus the ability to play any position on the park elevates Goodes to the top of the pile IMO.
Champion who will rightly be remembered as one after all this BS dies down.

 

[waiting]

Re: Re: Round 17 - other games

Thanks LTRTR

Forgot about that! But hey that's the AFL trying to show its diversity and tolerance.

A "rule " on the fly ! As they know done any other time apart from Indigenous round is/may be a case for "insighting violence" . That's how I see it.

I personally don't boo Goodes. But I don't particularly like or admire him as a player anymore.

It's strange though. I once did!

 

[joegarra]

Goodes will be like Liberatore - tarnishing the last years of their careers. The AFL is being ridiculous on this (in my opinion), yes there may be some racists booing Goodes, but also many people booing him for being a sook. Many people booed many players over the years eg Ballantyne, Milne, . I was at the soccer Friday night and Sterling got booed all the time, not for his colour but for the fact he left Liverpool for money.